Jack Hughes vs Kaapo Kakko

[Hischier and Hughes]

Make **** up? Please, post where scouts said Kakko is close to Podkolzin, i'll be waiting. It was just his terrible opinion that nobody shares.

Um try the fact that some scouting ranks have/had Podzolkin 3 and NONE had Hughes 2. Its pretty much common knowledge at this point, even with Kakko rising up... it used to be farmore leaned towards Podzolkin

So yes, Kakko is closer to Podzolkin than Hughes AS A PROSPECT. But I do believe Kakko ends up the clear #2 when its all said and done. Him and Hughes will be insane player, i have it Kakko as a top-10 goal scorer and Hughes fighting for top-5 in points regularly

 

[AmericanDream]

Last time I checked his draft article for sure, and Matthews for example dominated mens league in Europe on his draft season.

Hughes and Kakko are completely different players, opposite players, and Hughes being C and known for years are ++'s for him over Kakko right now as well.

he has had Hughes #1 all year hasn't he?? prior to any records, no?

 

[Polar Bear]

Youd be wrong

Button called NJ taking Hischier and in fact knows a lot

Why make **** up?

You have a giant chip on your shoulder about this for some reason. Button being clueless when saying Kakko is closer to Pod versus Hughes doesn't knock Hughes in anyway. Most agree that Hughes has a bit more potential than Kakko (albeit a lower floor).

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

You have a giant chip on your shoulder about this for some reason. Button being clueless when saying Kakko is closer to Pod versus Hughes doesn't knock Hughes in anyway. Most agree that Hughes has a bit more potential than Kakko (albeit a lower floor).

No , the persons shit talking Button for no reason when the guy has a pretty decent track record. Hes no Bob McKenzie but hes had time doing this, meanwhile this guy dismisses his opinion yet sounds like he hasnt an actual clue, so what was I expecting lol

 

[Polar Bear]

No , the persons **** talking Button for no reason when the guy has a pretty decent track record. Hes no Bob McKenzie but hes had time doing this, meanwhile this guy dismisses his opinion yet sounds like he hasnt an actual clue, so what was I expecting lol

He's literally on a God damn island with the comment he said today though. I think I would sooner trust Bob and most scouts versus a single opinion. It's for that reason we're shitting on this particular take from Button, we're not trying to knock Hughes at all.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Um try the fact that some scouting ranks have/had Podzolkin 3 and NONE had Hughes 2. Its pretty much common knowledge at this point, even with Kakko rising up... it used to be farmore leaned towards Podzolkin

So yes, Kakko is closer to Podzolkin than Hughes AS A PROSPECT. But I do believe Kakko ends up the clear #2 when its all said and done. Him and Hughes will be insane player, i have it Kakko as a top-10 goal scorer and Hughes fighting for top-5 in points regularly

Wait..this is your reasoning? Moving on.

 

[azrok22]

again, so yo want to believe that 10 out of 10 scouts think the difference is razor thin...but ALL STILL PICK HUGHES??? I am sorry, not buying whatever snake oil is trying to be sold here. I was always taught to read between the lines or read what isn't being said.. I am sure some think the gap has closed, I also think some think the gap is wider than others - this isn't a ****ing hive mind here lol...

Yes, because that is exactly what McKenzie wrote. He wrote that: 1) 10/10 currently pick Hughes,;and that 2) 10/10 view Hughes vs. Kakko as "extremely close."

I see no basis to cherry pick the part McKenzie's story that fits your narrative (10/10 picked Hughes!) while rejecting the part of McKenzie's story that does not fit your narrative (10/10 scouts say Hughes vs. Kakko is "extremely close"). If you are going to accept McKenzie as credible (which I do), it seems intellectually dishonest to only accept the portion of the story that fits your narrative.

 

[BB88]

he has had Hughes #1 all year hasn't he?? prior to any records, no?

That really does nothing for this.

 

[maksa]

again, so yo want to believe that 10 out of 10 scouts think the difference is razor thin...but ALL STILL PICK HUGHES??? I am sorry, not buying whatever snake oil is trying to be sold here. I was always taught to read between the lines or read what isn't being said.. I am sure some think the gap has closed, I also think some think the gap is wider than others - this isn't a ****ing hive mind here lol...

For the times you have accused some finnish people having bias you would think you were atleast little bit self aware of your own bias to the point of picking and choosing parts of an article and ignoring others to fit your narrative.

 

[AmericanDream]

Yes, because that is exactly what McKenzie wrote. He wrote that: 1) 10/10 currently pick Hughes,;and that 2) 10/10 view Hughes vs. Kakko as "extremely close."

I see no basis to cherry pick the part McKenzie's story that fits your narrative (10/10 picked Hughes!) while rejecting the part of McKenzie's story that does not fit your narrative (10/10 scouts say Hughes vs. Kakko is "extremely close"). If you are going to accept McKenzie as credible (which I do), it seems intellectually dishonest to only accept the portion of the story that fits your narrative.

there is no cherry picking, I am just not buying whatever narrative you want to make out of it. some of you are creating your own narratives with his article. I am not seeing him say 10 out of 10 scouts are calling it razor thin, no matter how many times you try and quote it, he isn't saying that nor am I buying it.

he listed 3 scouts overall that said it is razor close, the rest nobody knows as he could just be lumping them all in together and saying it is close - but for all we know there are 6 completely different levels of close here...

I have been at this for far too long - sorry, but NO- I do not believe 10 out of 10 scouts think it is razor close and ALL pick Hughes...I will go find 9 more posters I trust in here, that follow prospects and I will guaranDAMNtee we will not get 10 out 10 saying it is razor close and everyone picks the same guy...

 

[AmericanDream]

That really does nothing for this.

you brought up beating Keller's record as the main reason - I debunked your failed narrative there- what else ya got?

 

[glenwo2]

For the times you have accused some finnish people having bias you would think you were atleast little bit self aware of your own bias to the point of picking and choosing parts of an article and ignoring others to fit your narrative.

Well each team's fans do have their own narrative to spin.

Many Finnish fans spin the "Kakko is great, everyone else sucks" narrative

While American fans spin that Hughes is eons better than Kakko and it's not even close.

You know....maybe Nationalism is a thing after all.

We should all cut the crap and just be happy they're BOTH talented and on their way to teams that can use them and not waste them.

This shouldn't be about Finland vs. USA here.

 

[AmericanDream]

For the times you have accused some finnish people having bias you would think you were atleast little bit self aware of your own bias to the point of picking and choosing parts of an article and ignoring others to fit your narrative.

I have zero bias on this.

I actually prefer if Kakko goes #1 Overall - the problem is those that only see what they want to see, and if anyone on here believes 10 completely different scouts, from different teams/time zones all say this thing is razor thin close yet still ALL pick the same guy, I got some beautiful swampland to sell you in Florida - prime location!

 

[BB88]

you brought up beating Keller's record as the main reason - I debunked your failed narrative there- what else ya got?

Having Hughes #1 a year ago didn't make one a genius.

Kakko has had a helluva development and broke a record himself. Lucky for Kakko Button even bothered to write his name on the article, but had no problems hyping the Keller record to start

You've done absolutely nothing to convince me of Hughe's superiority, nothing's been said of why and it goes against basically everyone else.
& I hope Hughes goes 1st.

 

[Uncle Dru]

Button's a bit erratic. He has Kravtsov as the #1 NHL-affiliated prospect. Even as a Ranger fan, I know there's a handful of prospects above him

Edit: and I think he had Denisenko 2...

 

[OKOptimistic]

People are forgetting the Hughes has a brother who goes by Quinn whose played a few NHL games and has excited Canucks fans, and he too apparently played in the sissy USNTP and NCAA (Not NHL ready). And Hughes is considered better than him

 

[Dijock94]

Hughes truly has can’t miss talent and he plays the more valuable position. I’m surprised the poll has them so close.

 

[Emperoreddy]

That was Button being Button. He is trying to drive clicks by being controversial the other way as opposed to this “it’s close but no one will actually rank Kakko at 1” stuff.

 

[Polar Bear]

Hughes truly has can’t miss talent and he plays the more valuable position. I’m surprised the poll has them so close.

The only can't miss talent is someone like McDavid/Crosby. While I am not saying he will or it's even likely, there is absolutely a universe where Hughes doesn't meet expectations, and the same can be said about Kakko.

 

[monkaS]

I think if the NJD PR team is allowed to put Hughes into a vid like this, it shouldn't be a mystery who they'll pick.

 

[Red Solo Cup]

is there any way to watch the exhibition match tomorrow for USA? also, can i get a level headed take of Hughes’ game today?

 

[monkaS]

is there any way to watch the exhibition match tomorrow for USA? also, can i get a level headed take of Hughes’ game today?

from what i read @ jatkoaika (finnish hockey board) he didn't really get much done. probably tired from travel plus big ice requires adjustment. wouldn't think much of it. there wasn't really any in depth analysis. basically had a lame game just like Kakko against denmark two nights ago.

 

[Devil made me do it]

Yeah of course, hence why I would also take Hughes if I was New Jersey. They need a 100 point player if possible. Hughes has immense potential if he gets rid of the minor bad habits and works on his shot and gets even faster as he builds muscle to those legs

The Devils will do the smart thing and draft the SUPERIOR player that is Hughes.

 

[ijuka]

is there any way to watch the exhibition match tomorrow for USA? also, can i get a level headed take of Hughes’ game today?

I'd say mine was quite level headed. He had a bad game. Here's someone else though - the only comment on Jack Hughes's play in that game that I found on twitter:

I guess no one else watched the game so we're stuck with people who didn't watch the game complaining about my comments on a game I watched.

 

[FinnishSniper]

The Devils will do the smart thing and draft the SUPERIOR player that is Hughes.

Sure bud, sure