News: Jack Eichel not happy in Buffalo [JACK EICHEL MEGATHREAD] Part III

[Estlin]

Pastrnak, any D-man outside of the top 3, 1st round pick.

Los Angeles: David Pastrnak and Urho Vaak
Buffalo: Byfield or Turcotte, Iafallo +
Boston: Eichel ($1 million retained)

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Is it possible Jack Eichel is just a wee bit over-rated, in general?

He averages 77 points per 82 games, which is good if not mind-blowing. He's a minus 69 at even strength. He's a high-volume shooter, I guess, but a 10.5% isn't real great. He (barely) has one 10th-place finish in scoring, and has never been top-10 in points per game.

Obviously, he's a potential star player and an NHL 1st-liner. But I don't see him as a top-10 forward.

He's definitely a top 20 and arguably a top 15 forward but there are a probably 10 forwards in total I would take above him

 

[sabremike]

Is it possible Jack Eichel is just a wee bit over-rated, in general?

He averages 77 points per 82 games, which is good if not mind-blowing. He's a minus 69 at even strength. He's a high-volume shooter, I guess, but a 10.5% isn't real great. He (barely) has one 10th-place finish in scoring, and has never been top-10 in points per game.

Obviously, he's a potential star player and an NHL 1st-liner. But I don't see him as a top-10 forward.

I stopped reading when you mentioned plus/minus like it means anything and isn't the most garbage stat in all of pro sports.

 

[webersshot]

Nick Suzuki
1st 2021
Kaiden Ghule

 

[Flash20]

Nick Suzuki
1st 2021
Kaiden Ghule

Have to add cole

 

[The Panther]

I stopped reading when you mentioned plus/minus like it means anything and isn't the most garbage stat in all of pro sports.

You stopped reading... and yet took more time to respond...

 

[sabremike]

You stopped reading... and yet took more time to respond...

 

[Cuphead]

Is it possible Jack Eichel is just a wee bit over-rated, in general?

He averages 77 points per 82 games, which is good if not mind-blowing. He's a minus 69 at even strength. He's a high-volume shooter, I guess, but a 10.5% isn't real great. He (barely) has one 10th-place finish in scoring, and has never been top-10 in points per game.

Obviously, he's a potential star player and an NHL 1st-liner. But I don't see him as a top-10 forward.

minus 69?

Nice

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

minus 69?

Nice

Honestly the most insightful comment across all 3 threads

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Is it possible Jack Eichel is just a wee bit over-rated, in general?

He averages 77 points per 82 games, which is good if not mind-blowing. He's a minus 69 at even strength. He's a high-volume shooter, I guess, but a 10.5% isn't real great. He (barely) has one 10th-place finish in scoring, and has never been top-10 in points per game.

Obviously, he's a potential star player and an NHL 1st-liner. But I don't see him as a top-10 forward.

He was one of the most impactful forwards in the 2019-2020 season and a MVP candidate. I don't see why he couldn't become a top 10 player.

He plays for Buffalo. Everyone has a bad +/-. ROR had a -40 in his 3 years with the Sabres.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

I stopped reading when you mentioned plus/minus like it means anything and isn't the most garbage stat in all of pro sports.

Eichel being over-rated or the attempt to use career points per game would have also been acceptable places to stop.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I'd start an offer around Marner. Yes, I know, not a center. But no team is going to offer you a franchise center for an unhappy franchise center. What would be the incentive? With Marner you'd get a franchise winger, and probably the best player you'd be offered. The best option would likely be a bunch of picks and prospects. With how the Sabres operate, maybe that's not the best option.

 

[ElLeetch]

Is it possible Jack Eichel is just a wee bit over-rated, in general?

He averages 77 points per 82 games, which is good if not mind-blowing. He's a minus 69 at even strength. He's a high-volume shooter, I guess, but a 10.5% isn't real great. He (barely) has one 10th-place finish in scoring, and has never been top-10 in points per game.

Obviously, he's a potential star player and an NHL 1st-liner. But I don't see him as a top-10 forward.

THANK YOU. people have been proposing offers as if he is in the McDavid and Crosby tier. he is not.

 

[The Panther]

Okay, so I learned I'm not allowed to use point totals, points-per-game, plus/minus, or shooting percentage as a metric to judge Eichel.

So... what are we supposed to use to judge him?

I'm not saying he's a bum. As I said, he's clearly a 1st-line NHL-er with the potential to be a star. But the way the media and some fans go on about him, you'd think he was Draisaitl or Kucherov.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Calgary makes a lot of sense with a deal around Mathew Tkachuk.

I can see Calgary needing to do something to change there outlook and Tkachuk is the type of player and identity Buffalo needs.

Not in the same division let alone conference.

Buffalo will be drafting top 5 this year and next to possibilly add 1 or 2 top centers.

Calgary would add for sure but not there 1st in 2021.

Add in the return from Reinhart and whomever they move this TDL and they could be well on there way in my opinion

 

[TGWL]

Nobody is giving you that

Depends what type of 1st line winger. I know NYR fans don't want to sell the farm, but if we're talking 1st line winger in production - Well, we would easily fork over Buchnevich in any package deal, and I'm sure other teams would offer similar 1st line wingers. If we're talking 1st line winger like Stone or Huberdeau, then you're right, it doesn't happen. It would really depend on what type of 1st line winger they're looking for. 1st line by production or 1st line as a player who can carry that line and be elite.

(And no - I wasn't saying Buchnevich can get Eichel...)

 

[krt88nc]

Impossible and obviously never gonna happen why not flip Eichel and McDavid

Both players get new beginnings provide Eichel passed the medical.


McDavid and a cap dump
for
Eichel, and some other pieces (not named Dahlin or Cozens)
anyone and everyone else could be put into the deal.

I know, Connor isn't getting moved but both players have to be frustrated. One admits it and the other is a model of professionalism.

 

[Flash20]

Impossible and obviously never gonna happen why not flip Eichel and McDavid

Both players get new beginnings provide Eichel passed the medical.


McDavid and a cap dump
for
Eichel, and some other pieces (not named Dahlin or Cozens)
anyone and everyone else could be put into the deal.

I know, Connor isn't getting moved but both players have to be frustrated. One admits it and the other is a model of professionalism.

 

[hmc1987]

Here’s something I came up with... Let’s see how I do:


Eichel
Olofsson


Tkachuk
2021 3rd (MTL)


Monahan
Pelletier
Kyrou
Dunn
2021 1st (CGY) -> 12th OA
2022 1st (STL) (can defer pick to 2023 if STL misses playoffs and chooses to pick in 2022).
2022 2nd (CGY)

Breakdown:
Eichel and Olofsson —> Tkachuk + Monahan + 2021 1st (CGY) + Pelletier + 2022 2nd (CGY)
Tkachuk to St. Louis —> Tkachuk + 2021 3rd (MTL) for Kyrou + Dunn + 2022/23 1st (STL)

Tkachuk probably wants to choose where he wants to play, so I wanted to make sure Buffalo got some solid value for him from a team that Tkachuk would go and play for. Monahan is the stopgap 1C until Cozens/Mittelstadt surpass him. Kyrou can play C/RW.

Cant imagine Buffalo getting a better haul than that.

 

[krt88nc]

what posted in here is reality? Give me one example?

it's all fantasy

 

[missionAvs]

Impossible and obviously never gonna happen why not flip Eichel and McDavid

Both players get new beginnings provide Eichel passed the medical.


McDavid and a cap dump
for
Eichel, and some other pieces (not named Dahlin or Cozens)
anyone and everyone else could be put into the deal.

I know, Connor isn't getting moved but both players have to be frustrated. One admits it and the other is a model of professionalism.

I think the add needs to be Dahlin/Cozens which you aren't willing to do so I don't see a deal here. Even adding Dahlin, I don't think the Oilers agree. McJesus is that much better and I don't mean that as a slight to Eichel who is phenomenal in his own right.

 

[Confucius]

Pasta insn't going anywhere at 6.6M for another two years. That's potentially the best $/G in the business.

he's proven to be the better goal scorer as well.

 

[Confucius]

Is it possible Jack Eichel is just a wee bit over-rated, in general?

He averages 77 points per 82 games, which is good if not mind-blowing. He's a minus 69 at even strength. He's a high-volume shooter, I guess, but a 10.5% isn't real great. He (barely) has one 10th-place finish in scoring, and has never been top-10 in points per game.

Obviously, he's a potential star player and an NHL 1st-liner. But I don't see him as a top-10 forward.

I couldn't agree more, he is way overhyped IMO. I'd be surprised if he gets anything close to what some are offering.

 

[Confucius]

Impossible and obviously never gonna happen why not flip Eichel and McDavid

Both players get new beginnings provide Eichel passed the medical.


McDavid and a cap dump
for
Eichel, and some other pieces (not named Dahlin or Cozens)
anyone and everyone else could be put into the deal.

I know, Connor isn't getting moved but both players have to be frustrated. One admits it and the other is a model of professionalism.

yeah sure go tell Edmonton Eichel and Dahlin, they still tell you to take a hike.

 

[Leafs1991]

yeah sure go tell Edmonton Eichel and Dahlin, they still tell you to take a hike.

Yup, plus McDavid would never accept a trade there (if he has a NMC)