Player Discussion Jack Campbell

[TheNumber4]

Well dang. Searched some stories as well and he has multiple ones out there about being in a bad mental state in Toronto

How ‘lost soul’ Jack Campbell rediscovered his love of hockey

The Leafs new netminder had failed to live up to expectations when he was traded to the Kings in 2016, but working with goalie coach Dusty Imoo helped turn his game aroudn

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Jack Campbell dealing with 'mental block' in Toronto Maple Leafs' net

Jack Campbell himself is in uncharted territory as he rides the roller coaster that is a full 82 games in the white-hot Toronto market — without the seatbelt that is contract security.

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I'm a little flabbergasted that Holland and Co. would think a mentally fragile goalie with a clear history of it could ever be the answer here. Took him almost no time in both Oilers season now to turn into a disaster. Luckily we were able to outscore his play a lot last year, but no such luck this season.

And with that research you’ve now done more due diligence on Campbell than Hollland probably did.

 

[oobga]

And with that research you’ve now done more due diligence on Campbell than Hollland probably did.

Weird side topic. For some reason Spector has been trying to spread a narrative that Brad Holland was the person responsible for scouting Campbell. We went as far to suggest Brad Holland was the only person in Toronto (at the time we were looking to get Campbell) that did not know Campbell could be a dud.

Spec trying to help keep Brad out of the GM chair? Or trying to take heat of Ken, in the weirdest possible way, throwing Ken's son under the bus.

 

[TheNumber4]

Weird side topic. For some reason Spector has been trying to spread a narrative that Brad Holland was the person responsible for scouting Campbell. We went as far to suggest Brad Holland was the only person in Toronto (at the time we were looking to get Campbell) that did not know Campbell could be a dud.

Spec trying to help keep Brad out of the GM chair? Or trying to take heat of Ken, in the weirdest possible way, throwing Ken's son under the bus.

I heard spec say that Holland was our eyes and ears in Toronto and should have known better. Maybe it’s just the truth or maybe he’s deflecting from Ken, I don’t know. But I’m not sure if Spec cares to protect anyone in this org:

 

[joestevens29]

I heard spec say that Holland was our eyes and ears in Toronto and should have known better. Maybe it’s just the truth or maybe he’s deflecting from Ken, I don’t know. But I’m not sure if Spec cares to protect anyone in this org:

Coffey was all over the Hyman signing, so seems odd he wouldn't have made any comment on Campbell.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Coffey was all over the Hyman signing, so seems odd he wouldn't have made any comment on Campbell.

Not really.

 

[Soundwave]

I heard spec say that Holland was our eyes and ears in Toronto and should have known better. Maybe it’s just the truth or maybe he’s deflecting from Ken, I don’t know. But I’m not sure if Spec cares to protect anyone in this org:

This is on Ken Holland, he can try and blame his son or whatever, but ultimately, it's not like this shit was a big secret. It was a huge topic in the hockey world that Campbell was hugely up and down in Toronto, everyone knew that. Was that not like the no.1 topic on the Leafs news that year?

A GM making $5 million dollars should have known that inside out. It's not like this was a small secret or you need like some "Toronto area scout" to figure that out, lol. Gimme a break.

 

[TheNumber4]

This is on Ken Holland, he can try and blame his son or whatever, but ultimately, it's not like this shit was a big secret. It was a huge topic in the hockey world that Campbell was hugely up and down in Toronto, everyone knew that. Was that not like the no.1 topic on the Leafs news that year?

A GM making $5 million dollars should have known that inside out. It's not like this was a small secret or you need like some "Toronto area scout" to figure that out, lol. Gimme a break.

True the buck stops at Ken no matter how the decision was reached. That being said, Ken’s not deflecting blame though. Atleast I haven’t heard anything like that. It’s just Spector speculation

 

[Oilhawks]

wrong thread

 

[Oilers88]

This organizations handling of Campbell from the very beginning has been bizarre.

First of all, for a player who by his own admission struggles with confidence and holds himself to an impossibly high standard, the pressure of living up to a big money contract in a Canadian market hoping to contend was a bad idea from the get go.

Second, Campbell's history is that he is inconsistent but can go through flashes of brilliance. If they were reasonable in their expectations for this player, they probably would have recognized that he is likely to have some ups and downs, and just hoped that he gets hot at the right time. The funny thing is, it seems like that is exactly what happened last year- he was brutal all season, but played his best hockey in the playoffs. If he had gotten some starts and gone on a run, that could have gone a long way to justifying the contract.

Now they've demoted him to the AHL to help him find his game. When they first sent him down, I thought the plan was to give Pickard some games. Considering Jack is playing nonstop in the AHL and Pickard hasn't gotten a start up here, it seems like the real rationale was to help Campbell find his game. If that's what they were planning, I feel like it's been a flop again. All they did is embarrass the player, push his confidence down further, and sewer any reasonable chance of him regaining some value this season.

Every step of the way, they've taken a bad situation and somehow made it worse.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Quite possibly the worst contract for a goalie of all time

Rick DiPietro on line one for mr Boy gm

 

[oobga]

Rick DiPietro on line one for mr Boy gm

Everyone should aspire to love someone as much as Mike Milbury loved goalie stick handling abilities in the 2000 draft.

 

[2for1PizzaPastuh]

This organizations handling of Campbell from the very beginning has been bizarre.

First of all, for a player who by his own admission struggles with confidence and holds himself to an impossibly high standard, the pressure of living up to a big money contract in a Canadian market hoping to contend was a bad idea from the get go.

Second, Campbell's history is that he is inconsistent but can go through flashes of brilliance. If they were reasonable in their expectations for this player, they probably would have recognized that he is likely to have some ups and downs, and just hoped that he gets hot at the right time. The funny thing is, it seems like that is exactly what happened last year- he was brutal all season, but played his best hockey in the playoffs. If he had gotten some starts and gone on a run, that could have gone a long way to justifying the contract.

Now they've demoted him to the AHL to help him find his game. When they first sent him down, I thought the plan was to give Pickard some games. Considering Jack is playing nonstop in the AHL and Pickard hasn't gotten a start up here, it seems like the real rationale was to help Campbell find his game. If that's what they were planning, I feel like it's been a flop again. All they did is embarrass the player, push his confidence down further, and sewer any reasonable chance of him regaining some value this season.

Every step of the way, they've taken a bad situation and somehow made it worse.

Worst possible outcome, but hard to blame it on the org.

 

[joestevens29]

This board is funny, last year the vocal minority saying the guy is awful should be waived.

Now they are mad that after the guy shit the bed again, after being given a second chance that he was actually waived?

Honestly I feel for the guy from the mental standpoint, but by no means is a NHL club going to make decisions because a guy has issues. If it were that much of an issue he should've did what Drouin or Knight did and seeked help and stepped away from the club.

 

[harpoon]

Worst possible outcome, but hard to blame it on the org.

How is it hard to blame the very people most at fault? They gave him $5x5 ffs. At the very least they should have insisted on a shorter deal. These dimwits thought they’d found ‘their guy’ and couldn’t wait to give him a long term deal, figuring that they’d ‘stolen’ him away from other potential (uhh, I mean imaginary) suitors. It’s a blunder of gigantic proportions - at the worst possible time in the team’s progression. Damn right they are to blame.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Every time Jack got going we made sure he wasn't.
The coaching staff kept highlighting every poor momment and cushion padded Stu instead.

Expectations might have been higher but any other organization would have done everything in the world to get the guy signed to a big contract going, for Woodcroft Stu was his guy to elevate.

I still don't get the Stuart saved last season narrative when we were not a playoff team when he got hurt and was a 95% lock at the time he returned. That make absolutely no f***ing sens.

Stuart got a crap training camp, was 1-6-0, around .850 and they still decided to demote Jack is anything aside cap space completely illogical.

At the time of demotion, jack collected marginaly more points per starts than skinner.
Stuart was 37-25-6
Jack 22-13-4

Am done with that subject, I guess its that time where its fashion to take your turn at pissing on the guy so enjoy yourself!

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

given how he’s playing in the AHL the demotion was the correct call. This contract should haunt the Oilers for a while.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Campbell's signing could be the straw that broke the back when it comes to Katz feelings about Holland's performance. Or maybe it was the Klim/Yamo trade since that was closer to Staois arrival. Either way, a horrific move where the Oilers had all the necessary information available to avoid it but decided to be stupid anyways.

Kostin and Yam both suck

 

[Soundwave]

given how he’s playing in the AHL the demotion was the correct call. This contract should haunt the Oilers for a while.

It wasn't really. He was playing about the same as Skinner at that point, singling one person out and embarrassing them as if to say "this start is all your fault" wasn't a great move by this organization.

You know the guy is mentally fragile so why do that for him for no real reason?

We need to get him back up here and at least rebuild his confidence so he can get some back up starts unless this org is dumb enough to think they should be playing Skinner in like 20 straight games.

 

[K1984]

Every time Jack got going we made sure he wasn't.
The coaching staff kept highlighting every poor momment and cushion padded Stu instead.

Expectations might have been higher but any other organization would have done everything in the world to get the guy signed to a big contract going, for Woodcroft Stu was his guy to elevate.

I still don't get the Stuart saved last season narrative when we were not a playoff team when he got hurt and was a 95% lock at the time he returned. That make absolutely no f***ing sens.

Stuart got a crap training camp, was 1-6-0, around .850 and they still decided to demote Jack is anything aside cap space completely illogical.

At the time of demotion, jack collected marginaly more points per starts than skinner.
Stuart was 37-25-6
Jack 22-13-4

Am done with that subject, I guess its that time where its fashion to take your turn at pissing on the guy so enjoy yourself!

This narrative is so bizarre and confusing, especially when it is now pretty apparent that Skinner is the better goalie. Campbell hasn't had three games that Skinner just had at any point in his entire run here.

Like a lot of nonsensical fan favorites of the past (Yakupov, Puljujarvi, Bear, now Campbell) the narrative is never that these players have major problems to overcome, it's that someone whether its the coach, teammates, fans, etc was mean to them, and actually the cause of their demise, never the player themselves. Always a conspiracy that the shitty fan favorite player didn't work out, never just that they didn't work out.

 

[North Cole]

It wasn't really. He was playing about the same as Skinner at that point, singling one person out and embarrassing them as if to say "this start is all your fault" wasn't a great move by this organization.

You know the guy is mentally fragile so why do that for him for no real reason?

We need to get him back up here and at least rebuild his confidence so he can get some back up starts unless this org is dumb enough to think they should be playing Skinner in like 20 straight games.

Nah, his contract is easily boughtout. He should be (and hopefully is) done with the Oilers.

 

[Soundwave]

Nah, his contract is easily boughtout. He should be (and hopefully is) done with the Oilers.

One the Oilers and their fans need to understand dead cap kinda sucks, OK, you want to do anything you can to avoid that, piling on to a giant ass dead cap bill is horrendous management.

Secondly you can't buy him out until next summer, so lets be real then. What the Oilers are going to do (because they are a stupid management team) is run Skinner into the ground if the plan is to not even try to rehabilitate Campbell.

Holland should walk into the office every day and get slapped upside the head for the Campbell contract and he should effectively have no power at this point other than maybe an advisor, having said that, we're handling this Campbell situation awfully.

You don't embarrass and single out a guy who you full well know has mental issues with his game. There's like a 90% chance that blows up in your face, and a 10% chance he takes it the right way, well guess which way that broke for the Oilers.

 

[Spawn]

It wasn't really. He was playing about the same as Skinner at that point, singling one person out and embarrassing them as if to say "this start is all your fault" wasn't a great move by this organization.

You know the guy is mentally fragile so why do that for him for no real reason?

We need to get him back up here and at least rebuild his confidence so he can get some back up starts unless this org is dumb enough to think they should be playing Skinner in like 20 straight games.

We don’t need him to do anything. He should be done with this organization. He doesn’t provide quality starts back up or otherwise.

As for no reason to waive him, having Pickard as the backup instead of Campbell saves enough room that you can run a 22 player roster instead of a 21 player one. Pickard can let in 4 goals a game just as easily as Jack Campbell and saves us a few hundred on the cap.

 

[Soundwave]

We don’t need him to do anything. He should be done with this organization. He doesn’t provide quality starts back up or otherwise.

As for no reason to waive him, having Pickard as the backup instead of Campbell saves enough room that you can run a 22 player roster instead of a 21 player one. Pickard can let in 4 goals a game just as easily as Jack Campbell and saves us a few hundred on the cap.

So 1.5 million buy out cost for Campbell, 3.225 bonus penalty for Brown, 1.9 buy out cost for Neal ... at what f***ing point does this management team draw a line in the sand and just say "no, we're not having freaking 7 million dollars of dead cap on our cap next summer. The next GM will be screwed because he has no flexibility".

Campbell was not playing any worse than Stuart Skinner as of a week ago. Skinner had the worse save percentage actually.

But the Oilers management are morons and were too chicken shit to fire Woodcroft after the third Vancouver game when it was obvious he was done. So they basically tried putting all the blame on Campbell as some kind of dumb "maybe this will spark the team!" message but it didn't spark shit and now you just destroyed whatever was left of the guy's confidence for no good reason.

 

[GOilers88]

It wasn't really. He was playing about the same as Skinner at that point, singling one person out and embarrassing them as if to say "this start is all your fault" wasn't a great move by this organization.

You know the guy is mentally fragile so why do that for him for no real reason?

We need to get him back up here and at least rebuild his confidence so he can get some back up starts unless this org is dumb enough to think they should be playing Skinner in like 20 straight games.

You're constantly railing against the team for not being more cut throat and emotionless towards players instead of coddling feelings, and now you're complaining that they did exactly that just because you don't like who they sent down? Heard you say it a million times, this is a results based business. Campbell has zero results this year and is getting worse in an even lesser league while Stu has been dialing it in since the move was made.

 

[Spawn]

So 1.5 million buy out cost for Campbell, 3.225 bonus penalty for Brown, 1.9 buy out cost for Neal ... at what f***ing point does this management team draw a line in the sand and just say "no, we're not having freaking 7 million dollars of dead cap on our cap next summer. The next GM will be screwed because he has no flexibility".

Campbell was not playing any worse than Stuart Skinner as of a week ago. Skinner had the worse save percentage actually.

But the Oilers management are morons and were too chicken shit to fire Woodcroft after the third Vancouver game when it was obvious he was done. So they basically tried putting all the blame on Campbell as some kind of dumb "maybe this will spark the team!" message but it didn't spark shit and now you just destroyed whatever was left of the guy's confidence for no good reason.

This isn’t just a decision based on 5 games. It’s based on the fact that Campbell was virtually unplayable for massive chunks last year and has continued that trend this season.

And I don’t get what your point is with your first paragraph. Jack Campbell is going to be dead space for this team. It’s either $5m of dead space or it’s whatever his buyout hit is of dead space. He’s not an NHL goaltender. He hasn’t been since midway through his last season in Toronto.