Prospect Info: Jack Beck (168th OA)

[OvermanKingGainer]

A forward. Played wing at age 16 but maybe would have played center at 17 if he didn't miss his draft year.

I think he's the next Henrik Zetterberg.



never heard of him tbh

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[Double Dion]

Doesn't seem like there's much upside here. I liked previous years late rounders better.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

https://thehockeywriters.com/jack-beck-2021-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

In his rookie season, we found out that Beck can skate. He has quick feet and excellent acceleration with speed to burn that can take him around the outside of the defence when needed. He didn’t have many chances to use his speed with the 67’s considering he was the third option on his line, but that allowed him to show off his playmaking ability. Even though the points didn’t come as he would have liked, he was involved in the play and created plenty of scoring chances for his linemates.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Doesn't seem like there's much upside here. I liked previous years late rounders better.

Strange comment. He seems to have immense upside

 

[Double Dion]

Strange comment. He seems to have immense upside

Based on what? That he was drafted by our favorite team?

 

[Mobiandi]

Scouts must really like him considering he didn't play last year

 

[Double Dion]

Scouts must really like him considering he didn't play last year

And his numbers don't stand out in his rookie year or minor hockey and he's under 6' and weighs 160. Not really sure why we would use a pick on him.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Based on what? That he was drafted by our favorite team?

Based on the fact that everything I've read so far praises his hockey sense, hands, and skating, and the fact that the team thought he was worth a draft pick despite not playing any hockey last year.

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

Based on what? That he was drafted by our favorite team?

He’s projected as a middle six winger that shoots first and isn’t a liability defensively. From what I read about him he’s got great potential and is a great skater. He was ranked 164th by draftprospectshockey.com and some other sites have him a bit higher. What’s your problem with him? You like someone else they didn’t pick?

 

[Double Dion]

Based on the fact that everything I've read so far praises his hockey sense, hands, and skating, and the fact that the team thought he was worth a draft pick despite not playing any hockey last year.

Yet he was barely a ppg in minor hockey and had less than 20 point last year. He's small too. Not a fan.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Yet he was barely a ppg in minor hockey and had less than 20 point last year. He's small too. Not a fan.

Yeah, that's the Flames weakness. Finding smaller guys with talent.

 

[Double Dion]

He’s projected as a middle six winger that shoots first and isn’t a liability defensively. From what I read about him he’s got great potential and is a great skater. He was ranked 164th by draftprospectshockey.com and some other sites have him a bit higher. What’s your problem with him? You like someone else they didn’t pick?

He wasn't even middle six quality in terms of numbers in junior. He shouldn't have been picked. There are 10 WHL defenseman I would have taken ahead of him.

All of that and I've never seen him play...haha

 

[Double Dion]

Yeah, that's the Flames weakness. Finding smaller guys with talent.

There's a difference. Gaudreau, Mangiapane and Phillips all produced at a very high level. They weren't small guys who didn't play in the draft year and had less than 20 points the year before.

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

Well I wasn’t expecting much from Ryan Francis and he had a great year. So I’ll hold out hope for Beck. It’s a 6th round pick we got for trading down a few spots so it’s just another lottery ticket

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Yet he was barely a ppg in minor hockey and had less than 20 point last year. He's small too. Not a fan.

I’m honestly at the point where I think being too big is a bigger detriment than someone being too small. Especially for forwards

 

[Rubi]

Beck... Bolt... no, no.. Its Boltmann not Bolt.
Phew. Thank God his name isn't Beckmann. Then I might think this was a wasted pick.

 

[Double Dion]

Beck... Bolt... no, no.. Its Boltmann not Bolt.
Phew. Thank God his name isn't Beckmann. Then I might think this was a wasted pick.

Boltmann was a wasted 3rd. At least this is late wasted pick. We may as well not have picked in the 6th...

I say that having watched neither player...

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

He's small too.

He's listed at 5'11. That's not small for a forward. And he might be taller than that.

As for production, I'm not sure what's wrong with a PPG in minor hockey. If anything he seems to have been similar 15yo production in minor hockey as guys like Mangiapane and Phillips, who have both gone on to be prolific CHL and AHL scorers, with Mangiapane also having become a solid NHL scorer.

Again, those minor hockey stats are 15 yos. A lot of 16 year olds are still playing minor hockey. Beck was playing junior hockey at 16, which again isn't really a great frame of reference statistically. His 17 yo season would have been far more telling, if he had played it.

I think there is definite upside here, and it has nothing to do with homerism. The other guy we took in the 6th round on the other hand? I don't feel the same way about at all.

 

[Double Dion]

He's listed at 5'11. That's not small for a forward. And he might be taller than that.

As for production, I'm not sure what's wrong with a PPG in minor hockey. If anything he seems to have been similar 15yo production in minor hockey as guys like Mangiapane and Phillips, who have both gone on to be prolific CHL and AHL scorers, with Mangiapane also having become a solid NHL scorer.

Again, those minor hockey stats are 15 yos. A lot of 16 year olds are still playing minor hockey. Beck was playing junior hockey at 16, which again isn't really a great frame of reference statistically. His 17 yo season would have been far more telling, if he had played it.

I think there is definite upside here, and it has nothing to do with homerism. The other guy we took in the 6th round on the other hand? I don't feel the same way about at all.

Mangiapane was a 100 point player who had already scored 40+ goals in junior. Yes he was PPG in minor but playing up an age group.

Phillips I watched live in minor hockey. He was probably the best forward in the midget league as a Bantam age player. He was other worldly as a minor player. Over 2 PPG playing as an underage. He played midget both Bantam years. Phillips also was well over a PPG in junior in his draft year playing with garbage teammates. So no, Beck didn't have even close to the minor seasons Phillips did despite Phillips playing those seasons up an age group.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Mangiapane was a 100 point player who had already scored 40+ goals in junior. Yes he was PPG in minor but playing up an age group.

Phillips I watched live in minor hockey. He was probably the best forward in the midget league as a Bantam age player. He was other worldly as a minor player. Over 2 PPG playing as an underage. He played midget both Bantam years. Phillips also was well over a PPG in junior in his draft year playing with garbage teammates. So no, Beck didn't have even close to the minor seasons Phillips did despite Phillips playing those seasons up an age group.

mangi was an overage when we drafted him

 

[Double Dion]

mangi was an overage when we drafted him

Yup he was. Phillips was one of the youngest in the draft. If you want to compare first year eligible Mangiapane still was far superior in the year he wasn't picked. He was still over 20 G and 50P. Not a sub 20 point player who didn't play for a year.

Admittedly, this is purely looking at numbers. Never having seen the player it's all I have to go off. There were several WHL defenseman I liked late. We miss so often in our own backyard. Stankoven was a big time miss. Worst one I've seen since Point.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Yup he was. Phillips was one of the youngest in the draft. If you want to compare first year eligible Mangiapane still was far superior in the year he wasn't picked. He was still over 20 G and 50P. Not a sub 20 point player who didn't play for a year.

Admittedly, this is purely looking at numbers. Never having seen the player it's all I have to go off. There were several WHL defenseman I liked late. We miss so often in our own backyard. Stankoven was a big time miss. Worst one I've seen since Point.

it’s hard to judge underage players on production because frankly they often struggle. The players who put up big numbers in the draft-1 season, Sillinger for example, go in the first round usually.

Mangiapane did not play in the OHL in his draft -1 season.

 

[Double Dion]

it’s hard to judge underage players on production because frankly they often struggle. The players who put up big numbers in the draft-1 season, Sillinger for example, go in the first round usually.

Mangiapane did not play in the OHL in his draft -1 season.

Yes his rookie was his draft year. I'll be happy to eat my words if he's a 100 point player next year, I just don't think it's at all likely.

 

[Anglesmith]

I like this profile for a sixth rounder a heck of a lot more than Ciona. You aren't going to get a player without serious question marks in the sixth, but building off of strong skating and offensive instincts while hoping that usage depressed his statistics seems like a smart play.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I think this could kid could be a player, I really like the sounds of him.