Isles Prospect Talk 2023-24

[PK Cronin]

New season, new thread. Continue on...

Previous thread: Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. III

+ = on IR or just hurt

Edit by ECK: Here is the final table for the year!

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Noah Dobson	D	2018 round 1 #12	1	New York Islanders	80	13	38	51	18	-3
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW/LW	2018 round 1 #11	2	New York Islanders	73	13	11	24	74	-6
Samuel Bolduc	D	2019 round 2 #57	3	Bridgeport Islanders	57	2	5	7	16	10
Aatu Raty	C	2021 round 2 #52	4	Oulun Karpat	6	0	1	1	2	1
				Jukurit	41	13	27	40	32	26
				Jukurit (Playoffs)	7	0	2	2	34	0
				Bridgeport Islanders	2	0	0	0	0	-2
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	6	1	3	4	6	4
				Finland U20 (all)	11	7	13	20	4	1
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	5	Bridgeport Islanders	40	4	16	20	8	1
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	6	1	1	2	2	-1
				New York Islanders	21	1	4	5	5	-6
Bode Wilde	D	2018 round 2 #41	6	Vasterviks IK	40	1	9	10	8	0
				Vasterviks (Playoffs)	7	2	1	3	2	-2
Simon Holmstrom	RW/LW	2019 round 1 #23	7	Bridgeport Islanders	68	12	31	43	8	3
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	6	3	1	4	0	1
Kieffer Bellows	LW	2016 round 1 #19	8	New York Islanders	45	6	13	19	19	-1
				USA (WC)	10	3	2	5	7	-1
William Dufour	RW	2020 round 5 #152	9	Saint John Sea Dogs	66	56	60	116	40	52
				Saint John (Playoffs)	5	2	2	4	6	5
				Saint John (Mem Cup)	4	7	1	8	4	6
Ruslan Iskhakov	C/RW	2018 round 2 #43	10	Adler Mannheim	25	7	15	22	10	8
				Adler (Playoffs)	4	0	1	1	0	1
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	11	New York Islanders	36	2	10	12	10	-6
Alex Jefferies	LW	2019 round 4 #121	13	Merrimack College	33	10	13	23	10	-7
Reece Newkirk	C	2019 round 5 #147	13	Bridgeport Islanders	13	0	2	2	10	-3
				Worcester Railers	36	11	17	28	33	4
Otto Koivula	C/LW	2016 round 4 #120	14	Bridgeport Islanders	56	12	35	47	32	1
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	3	0	1	1	6	0
				New York Islanders	8	0	2	2	0	-2
Grant Hutton	D	FA	15	Bridgeport Islanders	46	9	11	20	12	3
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	6	1	0	1	0	0
				New York Islanders	16	1	0	1	4	-1
Alexander Ljungkrantz	LW	2020 round 3 #90	19	Brynas IF	5	0	0	0	0	-2
				Brynas IF J20	16	2	7	9	2	-4
				HC Vita Hasten	34	5	5	10	2	-10
				Sweden U20 (all)	8	1	1	2	0	-2
Matias Rajaniemi	D	2020 round 6 #183	20	Lehden Pelicans	58	1	6	7	24	4
				Finland U20 (all)	8	0	2	2	2	0
Collin Adams	LW/C	2016 round 6 #170	HM1	Worcester Railers	10	3	4	7	2	-4
				Bridgeport Islanders	45	5	6	11	8	-3
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	2	0	0	0	0	-2
Cameron Berg	C	2021 round 4 #125	HM2	Univ. of Nebraska Omaha	37	8	15	23	14	4
Blade Jenkins	LW/C	2018 round 5 #134	HM3	Bridgeport Islanders	50	7	6	13	9	-3
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	1	0	0	0	0	0
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	HM4	Bridgeport Islanders	64	15	22	37	30	-3
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	6	1	1	2	4	-2
Aleksi Malinen	D	2021 round 6 #189	HM5	JYP	6	0	0	0	0	-6
				JYP U20	33	3	14	17	20	-1
				KeuPa HT	2	0	0	0	0	2
				Finland U20 (all)	5	1	0	1	2	0
Eetu Liukas	LW	2021 round 5 #157		TPS	48	8	4	12	24	0
				TPS (Playoffs)	17	4	0	4	4	-2
				TPS U20	13	10	10	20	14	5
				Finland U20 (all)	10	1	0	1	14	-1
Ben Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77		Providence College	16	3	1	4	21	1
Christian Krygier	D	2018 round 7 #196		Michigan State Univ.	36	2	6	8	79	-12
Jacob Pivonka	C	2018 round 4 #103		Univ. of Notre Dame	25	1	7	8	4	2
Tomas Machu	D	2021 round 7 #221		HC Vitkovice	10	0	0	0	2	-5
				HC Vitkovice U20	13	4	6	10	10	2
				Draci Sumperk	5	0	5	5	2	1
				Dukla Jihlava	1	0	0	0	0	1
				Youngstown Phantoms	34	0	6	6	10	-4
				Youngstown (Playoffs)	1	0	0	0	0	-1
				Czechia U19	3	0-	0	0	2	0
				Czechia U20	2	0	1	1	0	0
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201		Boston Univ.	30	5	6	11	8	-4
GOALIES					GP	GAA	SV%	SO	W-L-T
Tristan Lennox	G	2021 round 3 #93	17	Saginaw Spirit	28	3.20	.888	0	7-20-0
Jakub Skarek	G	2018 round 3 #72	17	Bridgeport Islanders	37	3.30	.896	1	16-15-5
				Bridgeport (Playoffs)	1	2.54	.912	0	0-1-0
Henrik Tikkanen	G	2020 round 7 #214		Kalpa	2	4.95	.765	0	0-2-0
				MoDo Hockey	19	2.50	.903	1	13-4-0
				MoDo (Qualification)	1	5.53	.857	0	0-0-0
				Vaxjo Lakers HC	1	1.00	.952	0	1-0-0

Last post from previous thread:

I’m sorry you guys have that as an option. It’s one of America’s national shames.

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[seafoam]

I've already shamelessly plugged Lawrence multiple times. I get that NYI probably doesn't want to waste contract spots on them, but what about AHL show me deals?

To be honest, I know nothing about Francis, but if he was drafted and his team didn't sign him he may be a better gamble than Lawrence at this point. f*** it, gimme both.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

I'll take Staios too

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

It was in the last string, but leeroggy asked:
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Let the games begin!

BTW, we need Chapin's input on his progression from his draft year and why he fell.
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I think you were referring to Dufour, right?

Remember, although a high draft pick for the Q, he didn't get off to a good start for the team that drafted him. He was also still pretty gangly and wirey with his build. Natural at that age.

When the draft swung around, I think he was seen by most as a top 100-120 prospect in the draft. But his season was pretty inconsistent and folks need to remember that once you get to round 3, it becomes a bit of a potpourri of team wants and desires across the league. Ultimately, he was a good get at the spot we got him at and folks were saying that already on draft day. He went later than many suspected. Size, pedigree, a shot that was his calling card from the beginning - they were there. It was all going to be about his continued progression - or lack thereof. But he had identifiable tools if he could round out a lot of other aspects.

And he has, all while continually honing that which is best about him, which is the generation of offense, often on the strength of a wicked and regularly utilized wrist shot.

The bigger question for me in that draft is not why Dufour fell (after all, Chromiak fell from top 40 to like the 5th round), but rather how the Isles could possibly use their 3rd and 4th rounders on Ljungkrantz and Jefferies. Sure, the latter has been alright at Merrimack (needs to make some music next year), but Ljungkrantz has only seen his already minimal stock drop.

And don't forget that the huge, vastly overaged goaltender they took in the 7th round is now out of the system. Don't know if everyone caught that they simply renounced his rights about a month ago.

But we can be thankful we grabbed Dufour. He's clearly saving that draft, in as much as it can be saved over a 2-year span.

 

[lafellaesobar]

has anyone heard from Malinen? wasn't he supposed to be a decent defenseman?

 

[seafoam]

has anyone heard from Malinen? wasn't he supposed to be a decent defenseman?

I think he extended his contract in Finland for 1-2 years, which is not unusual for these later round draft picks to want to develop in their home country until they are close to NHL ready.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

has anyone heard from Malinen? wasn't he supposed to be a decent defenseman?

Had a quiet year almost solely for his club's junior program.

Is on the extended list of options for Finland's WJC team this summer. Might be a real option by the winter WJC.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Coming on the heals of Bibeau quiting pro hockey and Tikkanen's rights having been relinquished, Lou all but hammered the nail into the coffin on Wilde's place in this organization by pointing out that he's "in limbo" and continuing to harp on how all employees must be vaccinated.

Wilde didn't really get a whole lot done this past season in Sweden's second division, but for a team that has had few draft picks in recent years and has already lost 2 of the last 16 taken, it would seem an absolute waste to have Wilde remain an absolute non-factor based on a policy that did absolutely nothing in preventing the Islanders from being ravished by Covid.

Even for those most adamant about Covid precautions, the world is clearly a different one than last July/August.

Really gotta wonder why he'd sit in Montreal and double down on the policy at this point.

 

[SI90]

Coming on the heals of Bibeau quiting pro hockey and Tikkanen's rights having been relinquished, Lou all but hammered the nail into the coffin on Wilde's place in this organization by pointing out that he's "in limbo" and continuing to harp on how all employees must be vaccinated.

Wilde didn't really get a whole lot done this past season in Sweden's second division, but for a team that has had few draft picks in recent years and has already lost 2 of the last 16 taken, it would seem an absolute waste to have Wilde remain an absolute non-factor based on a policy that did absolutely nothing in preventing the Islanders from being ravished by Covid.

Even for those most adamant about Covid precautions, the world is clearly a different one than last July/August.

Really gotta wonder why he'd sit in Montreal and double down on the policy at this point.

I was so high on Wilde. Might as well trade him. Maybe can get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. The vaccination rule is pretty ridiculous being that the entire country opened up. Terrible asset management

 

[IslesNorway]

Coming on the heals of Bibeau quiting pro hockey and Tikkanen's rights having been relinquished, Lou all but hammered the nail into the coffin on Wilde's place in this organization by pointing out that he's "in limbo" and continuing to harp on how all employees must be vaccinated.

Wilde didn't really get a whole lot done this past season in Sweden's second division, but for a team that has had few draft picks in recent years and has already lost 2 of the last 16 taken, it would seem an absolute waste to have Wilde remain an absolute non-factor based on a policy that did absolutely nothing in preventing the Islanders from being ravished by Covid.

Even for those most adamant about Covid precautions, the world is clearly a different one than last July/August.

Really gotta wonder why he'd sit in Montreal and double down on the policy at this point.

ehm, Lou is 80 years old...He is every risk group there is.

I fully agree with you though. If he is hellbent on keeping up that policy, Wilde is as good as gone. Better trade him at this draft then.

 

[The Real JT]

Coming on the heals of Bibeau quiting pro hockey and Tikkanen's rights having been relinquished, Lou all but hammered the nail into the coffin on Wilde's place in this organization by pointing out that he's "in limbo" and continuing to harp on how all employees must be vaccinated.

Wilde didn't really get a whole lot done this past season in Sweden's second division, but for a team that has had few draft picks in recent years and has already lost 2 of the last 16 taken, it would seem an absolute waste to have Wilde remain an absolute non-factor based on a policy that did absolutely nothing in preventing the Islanders from being ravished by Covid.

Even for those most adamant about Covid precautions, the world is clearly a different one than last July/August.

Really gotta wonder why he'd sit in Montreal and double down on the policy at this point.

I’m more than ok with Lou taking a hard line regarding COVID rules. Saying the end (numerous COVID cases on the Isles) justifies the means (letting an ill informed individual defy well accepted societal and team norms designed to protect others) misses the point.

Should Lou have voiced his “double down” stance? Absolutely not. That’s an unforced error.

From a hockey standpoint your comment that Wilde didn’t get a lot done as a player this past season is equally or more important. I say trade him at a discount and move on.

I’m so tired of prima donnas in this organization going back to Nino, JHS and now Wilde. Character matters.

 

[PK Cronin]

I’m more than ok with Lou taking a hard line regarding COVID rules. Saying the end (numerous COVID cases on the Isles) justifies the means (letting an ill informed individual defy well accepted societal and team norms designed to protect others) misses the point.

Should Lou have voiced his “double down” stance? Absolutely not. That’s an unforced error.

From a hockey standpoint your comment that Wilde didn’t get a lot done as a player this past season is equally or more important. I say trade him at a discount and move on.

I’m so tired of prima donnas in this organization going back to Nino, JHS and now Wilde. Character matters.

He's not being a prima donna, he's making a choice about his health. It's none of your business and not even close to being similar to the other two players you mentioned.

 

[leeroggy]

He's not being a prima donna, he's making a choice about his health. It's none of your business and not even close to being similar to the other two players you mentioned.

Perfectly said PK. I decided not to take one because of an early heart attack at age 43 (I'm now 63) and the myocarditis risk was real to me. I can tell you many people I know now tell me they wish they had not been vaxxed. And I'm sure there are many here that think I'm a fool. But the longer this goes on, the more confident I am I made the best choice on my own health.

 

[PK Cronin]

Perfectly said PK. I decided not to take one because of an early heart attack at age 43 (I'm now 63) and the myocarditis risk was real to me. I can tell you many people I know who now tell me they wish they had not been vaxxed. And I'm sure there are many here that think I'm a fool. But the longer this goes on, the more confident I am I made the best choice on my own health.

It's just a personal choice and the situation has changed from when that policy was first implemented. Wilde wasn't allowed to be around the team because he might compromise everyone else, but how did that work out? The entire team had COVID last season. More people than not have had COVID, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, so this idea that he'd put others in danger is kind of crazy at this point. Let him choose what he wants to do and his employer can choose what they want to do. If that means Wilde won't be with the Islanders organization anymore, that's fine, but nobody should be belittling a personal choice that has virtually no impact on anyone else.

 

[seafoam]

I’m more than ok with Lou taking a hard line regarding COVID rules. Saying the end (numerous COVID cases on the Isles) justifies the means (letting an ill informed individual defy well accepted societal and team norms designed to protect others) misses the point.

Should Lou have voiced his “double down” stance? Absolutely not. That’s an unforced error.

From a hockey standpoint your comment that Wilde didn’t get a lot done as a player this past season is equally or more important. I say trade him at a discount and move on.

I’m so tired of prima donnas in this organization going back to Nino, JHS and now Wilde. Character matters.

Every organization has players like these, you just happen to only pay attention to NYI.

Wilde will be apart of another organization by next season if I was a betting man.

 

[The Real JT]

He's not being a prima donna, he's making a choice about his health. It's none of your business and not even close to being similar to the other two players you mentioned.

Agree to disagree.

He’s a teenage kid with no higher education making an ill informed decision that potentially impacts others around him.

The chances of him having a serious adverse health event from a COVID infection are remarkably slim. That does not obviate the personal responsibility that he and all of us have to protect the health of those less vulnerable among us.

I’ve been on the front lines and I’ve seen many people die unnecessarily from COVID infections. Personal freedom needs to take a back seat to societal responsibility.

Back to hockey.

 

[xECK29x]

He's move on from the vaccine talk, it never leads to good discussion on a forum about hockey. Mods included.

 

[PK Cronin]

Agree to disagree.

He’s a teenage kid with no higher education making an ill informed decision that potentially impacts others around him.

The chances of him having a serious adverse health event from a COVID infection are remarkably slim. That does not obviate the personal responsibility that he and all of us have to protect the health of those less vulnerable among us.

I’ve been on the front lines and I’ve seen many people die unnecessarily from COVID infections. Personal freedom needs to take a back seat to societal responsibility.

Back to hockey.

I do not agree and I'm not sure how you can make this argument given that the entire team had COVID. I'm confused how Wilde's decision makes it more dangerous for anyone in the organization but him.

It's fine if you have a differing opinion, but he's still not being a prima donna like the other two.

He's move on from the vaccine talk, it never leads to good discussion on a forum about hockey. Mods included.

@The Real JT can respond to my latest post, he gets the last word and I'm done.

 

[IslandersFan17]

I’m more than ok with Lou taking a hard line regarding COVID rules. Saying the end (numerous COVID cases on the Isles) justifies the means (letting an ill informed individual defy well accepted societal and team norms designed to protect others) misses the point.

Should Lou have voiced his “double down” stance? Absolutely not. That’s an unforced error.

From a hockey standpoint your comment that Wilde didn’t get a lot done as a player this past season is equally or more important. I say trade him at a discount and move on.

I’m so tired of prima donnas in this organization going back to Nino, JHS and now Wilde. Character matters.

“I’ll informed” yikes

 

[The Real JT]

“I’ll informed” yikes

Damn autocorrect.

I’ll fix it now and no one will know.

I do not agree and I'm not sure how you can make this argument given that the entire team had COVID. I'm confused how Wilde's decision makes it more dangerous for anyone in the organization but him.

It's fine if you have a differing opinion, but he's still not being a prima donna like the other two.



@The Real JT can respond to my latest post, he gets the last word and I'm done.

I decline to respond. Is that a response?

 

[IslandersFan17]

Damn autocorrect.

I’ll fix it now and no one will know.


I decline to respond. Is that a response?

Autocorrect or not you knew the gist, still a massive yikes take.

 

[PK Cronin]

I decline to respond. Is that a response?

Absolutely, I just didn't want to cut you off if you wanted to reply.

 

[MJF]

Wilde didn't really get a whole lot done this past season in Sweden's second division

This is the most important part of your post. Wilde’s numbers in Sweden will be there for all other team execs to see.

Nobody did it to Wilde. He did it to himself.

He's not being a prima donna, he's making a choice about his health. It's none of your business and not even close to being similar to the other two players you mentioned.

He makes that choice hopefully with his eyes wide open and knowing how it affects his career.

 

[PK Cronin]

 

[SI90]

I think the only one that would be a possibility would be Odelius but it wouldn’t make sense. Keep him in Sweden.