Rumor: Isles Inquire With Bruins, Hawks, Flyers About Trades

[CREW99AW]

Can't imagine the haul Boston would get for a signed Boychuk. Lee would definitely be going the other way, plus picks and more prospects.

Am I the only one, wondering WHY Boychuk would bypass a chance to test the ufa market, to sign with the NYI or Edmonton?

The cap is going up for the 2015-2016 season. Boychuk will be 31 and in demand if he reaches the market..

 

[seafoam]

Am I the only one, wondering WHY Boychuk would bypass a chance to test the ufa market, to sign with the NYI or Edmonton?

The cap is going up for the 2015-2016 season. Boychuk will be 31 and in demand if he reaches the market..

CREW, with much respect, you posted a rumor on a discussion board, stating a hypothetical sitatution, and I simply extended my thoughts on that rumor.

In other words, CHILL OUT.

 

[CREW99AW]

CREW, with much respect, you posted a rumor on a discussion board, stating a hypothetical sitatution, and I simply extended my thoughts on that rumor.

In other words, CHILL OUT.

Sorry if I came across sarcastic or anything. But, I honestly do not see a reason that a player who will be in demand if he hits the ufa market, would sign with one of the league's bottom feeders

2 days ago, I made a similar comment in a Sabres thread, about Kelly waiving his NTC for Buffalo.

If you were Kelly or Boychuk and did not want to leave the Bruins, but had control over which new team you would join....would you choose one of Edmonton, NYI or Buffalo over one of the cup contenders? I wouldn't.

 

[NYI365]

A Bruins fan is posting, that both the isles and Oilers have made solid offers for a SIGNED Boychuk.
Has anyone read or heard anything about Snow putting an offer on the table? Who is part of his offer?

I have not heard, but I am curious as to where you saw this fan posting this?

 

[CREW99AW]

I have not heard, but I am curious as to where you saw this fan posting this?

In the Edmonton board trade thread and in the Boston board Johnny Boychuk thread.

 

[CREW99AW]

Elliot Friedman's 30 thoughts.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-new-nhl-rules-and-summer-news/
9. There aren’t a ton of movement rumours right now, but the ones that exist are generally about defenders. St. Louis has nine (counting Nate Prosser), so it wouldn’t be a surprise if something happens. Have heard Jordan Leopold’s name out there. Ottawa has seven blueliners on one-way contracts, plus Cody Ceci. They’d like to exchange one, probably for a forward.

10. Obviously, Boston remains in this category as well, with a need to free cap room. Much of the speculation surrounds Matt Bartkowski and Johnny Boychuk. Two months ago, as talks between the Bruins and Oilers fell apart, it sure seemed like the plan was to try and keep Boychuk for one more run. But there’s more smoke than a Cheech and Chong movie, so you wonder if that’s changed.

11. The last name will be Nick Leddy. There were a few reports in the summer Chicago might deal Johnny Oduya to get under the cap, but if they want to win one more time before the Kane/Toews extensions kick in, well, ask any opponent how good that Oduya/Niklas Hjalmarsson pairing is. Leddy must be qualified at $3.4 million next season, and look at the guys on the Blackhawks roster who make that salary. They let Viktor Stalberg, who (like Leddy) didn’t face the highest competition, walk instead of getting into the $3M range.

 

[seafoam]

Bartowski, Leddy, and Leopold.

Yuck. I'd rather try our luck with Brennan, Donovan, and Reinhart among others than adding a contract and more salary, especially for those guys.

Like Staple said to me in a tweet a few weeks ago, the group of defensemen we have is the group we are going start the season with. Any trade for a defenseman will be made during the season if a team decides to strip their team.

 

[Aucoin3]

Bartowski, Leddy, and Leopold.

Yuck. I'd rather try our luck with Brennan, Donovan, and Reinhart among others than adding a contract and more salary, especially for those guys.

Like Staple said to me in a tweet a few weeks ago, the group of defensemen we have is the group we are going start the season with. Any trade for a defenseman will be made during the season if a team decides to strip their team.

Im going to have to disagree and say that this Islanders squad would be a whole lot better with Nick Leddy in the lineup and TJ Brennan in the pressbox.

 

[CREW99AW]

Bartowski, Leddy, and Leopold.

Yuck. I'd rather try our luck with Brennan, Donovan, and Reinhart among others than adding a contract and more salary, especially for those guys.

Like Staple said to me in a tweet a few weeks ago, the group of defensemen we have is the group we are going start the season with. Any trade for a defenseman will be made during the season if a team decides to strip their team.

Methot is a ufa in 2015. He is reportedly looking for Orpik type $ and pricing himself out of Ottawa. With the Sens looking for a scorer, could snow swing a Grabner for Methot deal?

I would hate to lose Grabner. I love what his speed brings, but ...if the isles want a solid top 4 addition, they will lose something of value.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Im going to have to disagree and say that this Islanders squad would be a whole lot better with Nick Leddy in the lineup and TJ Brennan in the pressbox.

Leddy went from being the Prom Queen to the hunch backed janitor in the span of 1 season.

It is amazing how opinions change sometimes. But I too am not fond of him. Instead of looking at the value of losing Brennan and gaining Leddy, how about acquiring a solid top 4 instead and just improving for good?

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Methot is a ufa in 2015. He is reportedly looking for Orpik type $ and pricing himself out of Ottawa. With the Sens looking for a scorer, could snow swing a Grabner for Methot deal?

I would hate to lose Grabner. I love what his speed brings, but ...if the isles want a solid top 4 addition, they will lose something of value.

I wonder what happened to Ottawa's defense last season? On paper it is way better than it was in games this season. If he is expendable, I would be a little worried about why, much in the same way getting rid of MacDonald was a tremendous help to the club defensively, yet wasn't apparent at all to 99% of the non-Islander posters in here.

 

[seabass45]

Elliot Friedman's 30 thoughts.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-new-nhl-rules-and-summer-news/
9. There aren’t a ton of movement rumours right now, but the ones that exist are generally about defenders. St. Louis has nine (counting Nate Prosser), so it wouldn’t be a surprise if something happens. Have heard Jordan Leopold’s name out there. Ottawa has seven blueliners on one-way contracts, plus Cody Ceci. They’d like to exchange one, probably for a forward.

10. Obviously, Boston remains in this category as well, with a need to free cap room. Much of the speculation surrounds Matt Bartkowski and Johnny Boychuk. Two months ago, as talks between the Bruins and Oilers fell apart, it sure seemed like the plan was to try and keep Boychuk for one more run. But there’s more smoke than a Cheech and Chong movie, so you wonder if that’s changed.

11. The last name will be Nick Leddy. There were a few reports in the summer Chicago might deal Johnny Oduya to get under the cap, but if they want to win one more time before the Kane/Toews extensions kick in, well, ask any opponent how good that Oduya/Niklas Hjalmarsson pairing is. Leddy must be qualified at $3.4 million next season, and look at the guys on the Blackhawks roster who make that salary. They let Viktor Stalberg, who (like Leddy) didn’t face the highest competition, walk instead of getting into the $3M range.

I can't see anyone on the Oilers roster who would be a match for Boychuk.

 

[seafoam]

Im going to have to disagree and say that this Islanders squad would be a whole lot better with Nick Leddy in the lineup and TJ Brennan in the pressbox.

You can disagree with me.

I think just think for the money Leddy is going to command next offseason, the Islanders are better off spending their money elsewhere, especially considering the internal payroll will still be in place.

History tells us the Islanders don't hand out money easily to defensemen, and Leddy isn't exactly proven. If the Islanders had interest in an overpaying a powerplay specialist, Cody Franson would be an Islander already.

 

[seafoam]

Methot is a ufa in 2015. He is reportedly looking for Orpik type $ and pricing himself out of Ottawa. With the Sens looking for a scorer, could snow swing a Grabner for Methot deal?

I would hate to lose Grabner. I love what his speed brings, but ...if the isles want a solid top 4 addition, they will lose something of value.

From what I've gathered, Methot would like to stay in Ottawa, his hometown, but only for his price (~5M per).

I'll admit I don't know too much about Methot, but he's seems to be trying to cash in one more time, regardless of where it is. If I'm Snow, I'd ask to speak to Methot's agent beforehand to see if there would be mutual interest in signing long term. Lombardi did the same thing with Gaborik's agent before acquiring him.

 

[Sheva7]

Methot is a ufa in 2015. He is reportedly looking for Orpik type $ and pricing himself out of Ottawa. With the Sens looking for a scorer, could snow swing a Grabner for Methot deal?

I would hate to lose Grabner. I love what his speed brings, but ...if the isles want a solid top 4 addition, they will lose something of value.

I guess it could happen, but I don't think it will.

Snow knows that Grabner is a good player and he's got him under control for a few more years.

Methot is a pretty ordinary middle pairing dman who only has 1yr left on his contract.

I can see Garth being interested in Methot....but not at that price.

 

[CREW99AW]

From what I've gathered, Methot would like to stay in Ottawa, his hometown, but only for his price (~5M per).

I'll admit I don't know too much about Methot, but he's seems to be trying to cash in one more time, regardless of where it is. If I'm Snow, I'd ask to speak to Methot's agent beforehand to see if there would be mutual interest in signing long term. Lombardi did the same thing with Gaborik's agent before acquiring him.

I had not looked at Methot as a longterm addition. The isles balked at giving AMac $5m per.
I do not think they want to overpay 2nd pairing defensemen. Especially when their top pairing guys, CDH and Hamonic are make $2.7m-$3.7m per.

 

[seafoam]

I had not looked at Methot as a longterm addition. The isles balked at giving AMac $5m per.
I do not think they want to overpay 2nd pairing defensemen. Especially when their top pairing guys, CDH and Hamonic are make $2.7m-$3.7m per.

Then why give Grabner up for a guy you have no intention of signing long term.

 

[CREW99AW]

Then why give Grabner up for a guy you have no intention of signing long term.

Because Grabner is only signed for 2 more yrs and looking at his goal scoring droughts and remaining $9m in salary, I think Grabner should not be too comfortable about his roster spot.



Unless Grabner develops some scoring consistency, I do not see him getting an extension offer in the salary range he will be looking for.

 

[bstash19]

i think were overvaluing what boston would get for boychuk. lets not forget that a few months ago jason garrison was traded to the lightning for a 2nd round pick. not to mention everyone knows they have to make some sort of move.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

From what I've gathered, Methot would like to stay in Ottawa, his hometown, but only for his price (~5M per).

I'll admit I don't know too much about Methot, but he's seems to be trying to cash in one more time, regardless of where it is. If I'm Snow, I'd ask to speak to Methot's agent beforehand to see if there would be mutual interest in signing long term. Lombardi did the same thing with Gaborik's agent before acquiring him.

Yeah, except Lombardi & his team hoisted the cup in 2012 and were already contenders going into the playoffs. Brilliant acquisition. LA is a much sexier name than the Islanders have been in 30 years.

I really don't see an Ottawa native looking to collect 5M coming anywhere near the Islanders, from his perspective and the team's. Our best bet now is to keep our fingers crossed and hope some of our defensive prospects blossom into NHL material. A passive approach.

Although the team is sold, new owners will be eating whatever contracts are left for them and the current management knows they need to keep cap space open down the road to retain JT, KO & other proven members of our core.

Only other thing I could think of is offering a better package than most of us would be content with to acquire and establish the competent, vet presence we need. This would be the active approach. Right now the only guys who have real trade value are ones we'd all pout over being dealt. Snows only hope is that Grabner and/or Bailey come out the gate and boost their value 15-20 games in.

 

[Tampacuseforever]

I guess it could happen, but I don't think it will.

Snow knows that Grabner is a good player and he's got him under control for a few more years.

Methot is a pretty ordinary middle pairing dman who only has 1yr left on his contract.

I can see Garth being interested in Methot....but not at that price.

Really ? I'd personally drive Grabner to Ottawa and move his belonging into his new home if it would get us Methot.

 

[13th Floor]

Really ? I'd personally drive Grabner to Ottawa and move his belonging into his new home if it would get us Methot.

Ditto. Grabner is such a difficult piece for me and I've wrestled with it all off-season. He's the first one on my expandable list of the "core". I'm very happy for him that he really concentrated on defense and pk, because it might have made his career. But if he had hands and finish? He would be up there as one of the best players in the NHL. But he can't. It's not just that the puck isn't bouncing in. You can see it in his handle... he just doesn't have the hands. And he doesn't have the instinct to go to the right places. It's tough to find linemates to gel with him, because his offensive game is solo. He's become a heck of a pker because his defensive play has really improved, and his speed can really stretch a defense. Maybe we're just witnessing a guy with potential turn into a 3rd liner.

So, I would definitely thumb up a move like Grabner for Methot and am hoping Snow does something like that. I know we need a top-4, but that doesn't mean we don't need a bottom 4 NHL veteran. It would solidify our defense that much more to have a legit NHLer anywherein it. Let the good players rise to the top. It will happen. If you replace Grabner with Lee on the offense, you make up for the minus of Lee's defensive abilities with Methot, and you get a big power guy going to the net who can finish.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

i think were overvaluing what boston would get for boychuk. lets not forget that a few months ago jason garrison was traded to the lightning for a 2nd round pick. not to mention everyone knows they have to make some sort of move.

Nucks cleared out coaching/management though

Garrison was not a fit for what new management wanted from Nucks ,, Don't have that situation in Boston

The Nucks were more concerned with dumping his contract then getting back equal value

 

[rikker]

Ditto. Grabner is such a difficult piece for me and I've wrestled with it all off-season. He's the first one on my expandable list of the "core". I'm very happy for him that he really concentrated on defense and pk, because it might have made his career. But if he had hands and finish? He would be up there as one of the best players in the NHL. But he can't. It's not just that the puck isn't bouncing in. You can see it in his handle... he just doesn't have the hands. And he doesn't have the instinct to go to the right places. It's tough to find linemates to gel with him, because his offensive game is solo. He's become a heck of a pker because his defensive play has really improved, and his speed can really stretch a defense. Maybe we're just witnessing a guy with potential turn into a 3rd liner.

So, I would definitely thumb up a move like Grabner for Methot and am hoping Snow does something like that. I know we need a top-4, but that doesn't mean we don't need a bottom 4 NHL veteran. It would solidify our defense that much more to have a legit NHLer anywherein it. Let the good players rise to the top. It will happen. If you replace Grabner with Lee on the offense, you make up for the minus of Lee's defensive abilities with Methot, and you get a big power guy going to the net who can finish.

feel the same way. i am not sure that i would want Methot at $5 mil a year, but if salaries were equal, i would take him over Grabner. i think both players have relatively equal value, but Methot is more of what we NEED right now.

 

[Quicklime]

feel the same way. i am not sure that i would want Methot at $5 mil a year, but if salaries were equal, i would take him over Grabner. i think both players have relatively equal value, but Methot is more of what we NEED right now.

Curiouser and curiouser.......

http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senators-extra/methot-negotiations-turn-nasty

*doublechecks Methot's stats*

If salary is really Melnyk's concern, I wonder if he'd even be interested in Grabner, though there are many other starting places for negotiation, if the Sens want to stay on the cheap.