Ridicules, Hercules ridiculous half brotherThis whole narrative that todays players are so much better then the best players in the past is ridicules'
Ridicules, Hercules ridiculous half brotherThis whole narrative that todays players are so much better then the best players in the past is ridicules'
I would love to know how Lemieux unhindered by injuries in his prime would have done on the oilers in the early mid 80's. Something tells me 215 points would be smashed
A 92-93 Lemieux was the most dominating force the nhl has ever seen. I don't even know how a player can miss two months with radiation treatment. Come back and score 30 goals and 56 points in 20 games.
If anything Lemieux is underrated. This is the only player that could step in the ring with Gretzky and go pound for pound and yet Howe is a better player? GTFO
Yeah and you hear that if Mario was never hurt so much he would have had better numbers. Heres the thing though... he was hurt, and he didn't have better numbers. So I don't consider him better than Gretz at all. He could have been... but he wasn't.
To sum it up, Gretzky's numbers are untouchable, but you can't say for sure he would be the GOAT if he played today.
Actually 84-85 or 85-86 Gretzky fits that mantle.
In 84-85 he scored 208 in the reg season and then 47 points in 18 playoff games.
Let me know when he does that while fighting cancer. Imagine a 27 year old Lemieux in 84-85 on the oilers. Lmao the devastation...Lemieux was in his prime during the 88-89 season and scored 199 points (missed a mere 4 games). So no, 215 wouldn't be smashed because he had a legitimate chance to do so and didn't (nor he wouldn't of if he had played all 80 games).
Actually 84-85 or 85-86 Gretzky fits that mantle.
In 84-85 he scored 208 in the reg season and then 47 points in 18 playoff games.
In 85-86 he scored 215 points but "only" 19 points (10 GP) in the playoffs. Oh, and he could have won the scoring title by 20 points if you took out the 52 goals he scored. THAT is dominance.
Hmmm... Literally Gretzky than post age 25 routinely out scored by his peers. Put it this way. For 16 straight years only Gretzky and Lemieux won the art Ross. Do the same for Howe.Do some research on Howe. He was literally Gretzky before Gretzky existed. regularly beating the competition and winning scoring titles left right and center. Also was on the AST for pretty much every season of his career.
For me, Mario was right there with Gretzky, and had so many chances to possibly be better...but injuries.I've always thought of Mario as Gretzky on roids, like what Mario did in 93 will forever be the most impressive season in all of sports in my opinion. 69 goals and 160 points in 60 games, while playing with a destroyed back and coming back from radiation treatment; winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Pearson/Lindsay. It doesn't even seem humanly possible.
I'll admit I have a bias in this discussion, I grew up idolizing Mario but I didn't witness Wayne's peak with the Oilers first hand and base my opinion of him on footage and discussions I've had with guys that were there for it. I mean no disrespect to Wayne, he has the greatest career of all time, you could even argue in sports history spanning the major North American sports. I just see Mario as the superior player head to head.
Well Gretzky won the Art Ross in ‘94.....Compare the goaltending and defence from 92-93 vs 84-85. Night and day
No kidding that was a disingenuous post. Selanne was a rookie in 92 93 and scored 76 goals and he never came close again. If anything 92-93 was the last year of 80's style run and gun hockey.Well Gretzky won the Art Ross in ‘94.....
And finished 3rd in ‘98....and 4th in ‘97. The whole goalie argument is BS. Lemieux and Gretzky were continuously up there in the standings regardless of the changes of the game.
This.He is absolute underrated on this board. This whole narrative that todays players are so much better then the best players in the past is ridicules' Gretzky would be the best player no matter what era he plays in.
That's probably because Gretzky said that about those guys, so homers latched onto it. Gretzky is ridiculously humble though. Every team has a more skilled player than him if you ask him.I've seen people claim that Prime Forsberg and Prime Datsyuk were better than Gretzky, on this site.
Chain smoker gets cancer,film at 11.Let me know when he does that while fighting cancer. Imagine a 27 year old Lemieux in 84-85 on the oilers. Lmao the devastation...