Is Phaneuf Overrated?

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  1. abracanada

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    A lot of people seem to feel that any time Phaneuf hits someone, he draws rave reviews that would not even be noticed with another rookie defenceman. Well, he does make an impact when he hits. He was also the leader in ice time during the game with Edmonton, and many said, that was, by far his best pre-season game. Now there are many people who theorize that Phaneuf needs to play in the AHL for seasoning. That is, without seeing him play one single regular season game. Premature IMO. To say he will be one of the hardest hitters in the league, also premature IMO. He shows a lot of promise, and we won't know if he is overrated for some time. Ask me halfway through the season.
     
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    I don't think he's overrated. He should stick on his team in the NHL, and by the end of the season he will likely be one of their best defenseman... top four in skill, but he should still be playing on the bottom pairing.

    Some guys are just like that.
     
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    So you could see him replacing Warrener by the end of the season?

    Sorry, didnt read you correctly. Bottom pairing. It will be interesting.
     
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    No... with one caveat.

    It takes defensemen longer to become NHL ready than forwards so don't expect him to be a world beater yet.
     
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    its been confirmed, him paired with hamrlik.
     
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    Well, he sure isn't picking his spots, as suggested in this article.

    http://calsun.canoe.ca/Sports/Hockey/2005/09/26/1235983-sun.html

    He is also listed as 6'2 and 210 - I heard he is 6'3 215 now. I am looking forward to some real battles this year, and if he is willing to stand up to Laracque, I have to admire his courage, although I am not so sure it is a good idea.

    Also interesting to note about not only his shot, but his positioning and ability to get it off quickly. There are lots of hard shooters around who never do anything scoring wise (see Robin Regehr), but he seems to have a little big more than a heavy shot. Maybe he can teach Regehr a little something.
     
  7. PapaBear*

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    i expect him on the 1st PP abra, paired with Hamrlik setting him up. Dion has a laser from the backend.

    Reghr? heh, he just doesnt belong on the PP period.

    Hamrlik-Phaneuf on 1stPP
    Leopold and Ference on 2nd. (yes even Ference has better offensive instincts than Rockin Robyn)

    Reghr, Warriner should be used strictly defensively.
     
  8. Mr.Brownov*

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    Phaneuf overrated??? :shakehead
     
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    I haven't really seen him play enough to make a clearly overrated remark, but I wasn't overly impressed with him from the WJC. His physical game is outstanding, but he seemed to make alot of poor decisions that didn't hurt him because the team was so strong. I am not convinced he is this all-star stud I am hearing about, but he will always have a role and a place in the NHL. Time will tell if he develops into a more rounded blueline, at least for me it will.
     
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    I think what you see is what you get and i think it will transfer to the NHL.
    However,it is not realistic to expect him as a young dman to contend
    for the Calder with the crop of omen there is this year.Give him a few years
    and he will be a real force.
     
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    Phaneuf is an amazing young defenceman. Remember he is only 20 years old, and most defenceman take at least a few years to develop into a top-line player in the league, unlike young forwards who can have an impact immediately.

    Phaneuf will need a few years to develop his skills at the NHL level and build his confidence. He is still young and immature and should be expected to make mistakes.

    One day he will be an anchor on Canada's Olympic blueline for many years to come.
     
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    Phaneuf overated? No. Flames overated? Yes.
     
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    Phaneuf has been great so far in camp, leading the Flames in icetime in 2 of the 3 pre-season games he has been in. On Friday agaisnt Edmonton he played just under 25 minutes and was great the whole game. I think he is going to force Sutter to give him top 4 minutes by the end of the year. Maybe even at Warreners expense.
     
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    I thought Leopold was Calgary's best offensive defenseman...? Granted I haven't seen enough of him to make a truly sound judgement, but he was by far the best offensive defenseman for the Flames during the last playoff run, and given his age he should only be getting better, no?

    To me, he looks like a mini-Leetch on the ice, which isn't to say he'll put up Leetch-like points, but shouldn't that be enough to have him on the #1 PP pairing?
     
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    I guess you weren't one of the voters then!

    He was named the tourneys top defenceman :biglaugh:
     
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    The media guides in camp have him listed at 6'3, 215. While the 6'3 is correct, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually weights in at 220, and that is solid muscle.
     
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    Never seen a media guide go under a height or weight before..

    Those who mentioned that it takes defensemen longer to develop are absolutely right. Some people are saying Jay Bouwmeester is a bust already and that we should have draft Nash or Pitkanen (Nash, possibly IMO - but dmen are far more valuable). I still have faith that both Bo and Phaneuf will both turn out just fine given the time.
     
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    Great post...I agree on all your statement...

    Also, I was watching a Habs game on TV and noticed that with the new rules, Hard hitting defenceman like Komisarek and Souray(for the Habs) might have a harder time showing their physical skills...

    The same thing could happen with Phaneuf...we'll have to see because it's still to early right now...
     
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    People seem to be talking like he isn't playing well or is having trouble in camp. He is not. He's a lock to make the team and may force Sutter to give him top 4 minutes by the end of the year with his play. Currently he leads the Flames in hits and shots in the pre-season and is getting gushing rave reviews by the home town media.
     
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    Yah, the WJC organizers were so un impressed they gave him the MVP for the dman..................Wow, I watched every game of the WJC and I thought Phaneuf was outstanding. Remember he plays against the other teams best players.
     
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    I think Phaneuf is the best D-man coming into the league this year, and adds that much more impact to the rookie class of 05-06. He'll be a contender for the calder (more than likely won't win it, seeing as Sid the Kid is around, but he'll be nominated for it).
     
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    yeah i think you need to see him somemore.dion is gold,flames fans will love this work horse for many years. i expect him to be a top 4 d man on the flames by midseason.as for pts i'll say 32.
     
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    I think Phaneuf's offense is a little bit overrated. But he hits like a train!!!!
     
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    :eek: High expectation!!! He's only a D...maybe in 2-3 years but not his season...
     
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    Yes, Phaneuf is overrated. He's gonna be a great defenseman in a year or two but if he is a top 4 defenseman for Calgary this season (meaning that he would have to be one of the better d-men in the NHL) I would be very surprised.
     
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