Is goaltending a real concern for the Leafs
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HellasLEAF
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Unless Bibeau is the guy we either need to steal one in the draft or trade for our own Martin Jones.
Neither of our current goalies are good enough to take us to the next level. But again, I think management is fully aware of this and let them play this year to ensure a good pick for us.
Neither of our current goalies are good enough to take us to the next level. But again, I think management is fully aware of this and let them play this year to ensure a good pick for us.
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we did trade for our own Martin Jones.
his name is Jonathan Bernier and a lot of people don't think he can hack it.
I don't think they will try and tank the centennial year, its unfortunate it's right in the middle of the rebuild, I could be wrong I just don't see it happening.
Plus I suspect if Stamkos is available Shanahan is going to drive a brinks truck to his house.
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johnny_rudeboy
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Goalies are so hard to predict. Bernier was taken as the first goalie, 11th overall in 2006, a strong goalie year with 3 other goalies taken in the first round. He lost his destined starting job in LA to Quick taken the year before in the 3rd round (8th goalie selected). And Bernier has not really run away with the starting job from Reimer who was picked as the 11th goalie selected (4th round) same year as Bernier was seen as the cream of the crop.
Our goalie prospects are a complete unknown as well. They really are hard to predict. Wasn't Markstrom once seen as the #1 goalie prospect in the world? Where did that hype go? Anyways I say spend a 4-7 rounder every year on a Euro goalie. I think we don't have to sign them until after 4 years right?
It depends on the age at the draft. 18 and 19 years old European Players need to be signed within 4 years. 20 and older guys within 2 years.
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We traded for our "Martin Jones " already. it was Bernier and people don't think he can handle it. I wouldn't go proclaiming we should trade for a "martin jones". this is what? game 1 -15 as a starter
we should be trading for a Schneider , not a jones.
I think just 2 teams, the Blues and (can't think of the other team) have a two goalie model. Both Elliott and Allen are paid about the same - I just checked Fanager, they get 2.5 and 2.3 million per year.
The vast majority of teams have a starter between 5 and 10 times the backup's salary/cap value. Lots of teams with a starter at 5 or 6 million and a backup at 500 to 600 thou per year.
I really wonder if this model is the best model or the model of the future.
Especially as it was shown in this thread (i think) how starters perhaps are playing fewer games than in the past. And then there's the injury issue - if the 6 million dollar guy gets injured then so much for the philosophy that the team is better than one player or a team should be able to win if one of it's best players goes down.
The vast majority of teams have a starter between 5 and 10 times the backup's salary/cap value. Lots of teams with a starter at 5 or 6 million and a backup at 500 to 600 thou per year.
I really wonder if this model is the best model or the model of the future.
Especially as it was shown in this thread (i think) how starters perhaps are playing fewer games than in the past. And then there's the injury issue - if the 6 million dollar guy gets injured then so much for the philosophy that the team is better than one player or a team should be able to win if one of it's best players goes down.
Leafs are not bad with 2 good backups in Bernier and Reimer. Bernier is only overpaid. It seems the biggest mistake was to overuse them when most other teams avoid to play a goalie b2b. I think it can be said that alternating both would have been much better, especially when it's known that Bernier starts slow into seasons, but he started 7 of 10 games. Makes me think it was intended to overuse them to keep the tank.
To me a starter is a goalie who performed well with a workload of a playoff round, 7 games in 2 weeks. Bernier never did this workload, but that's not a problem if it's intended to alternate 2 good backups.
Lenny when Leafs had a good start to the season a couple years ago Carlyle was alternating goalies and they were pushing each other to greater heights. We had some amazing goaltending performances and many wins that the team did not deserve to win based on shots and puck possession. We got off to a great start then Reimer had a minor concussion and he went downhill fast (who knows if he came back to quick) and then Bernier had his groin injury and we tanked.
Maybe just go back to alternating and having both backups push each other back to great heights. I for one am not sold on the #1 plays most games and #2 plays to give #1 the rest. At least not with these 2 backups.
Maybe just go back to alternating and having both backups push each other back to great heights. I for one am not sold on the #1 plays most games and #2 plays to give #1 the rest. At least not with these 2 backups.
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I think this team's mishandling of Reimer has killed his confidence, and their generally terrible play has killed Bernier's confidence too.
The Leafs don't have a real concern because they need to do poorly the next couple of years to stock the cupboard anyways.. but after that point they need a good, stable, goaltender for the kids to play in front of to make sure that they don't get their development curbed.
So wait a year or two.. either one of these guys will get back on the horse or you'll be replacing them anyways but on an up and coming team instead of a team going the other way.
The Leafs don't have a real concern because they need to do poorly the next couple of years to stock the cupboard anyways.. but after that point they need a good, stable, goaltender for the kids to play in front of to make sure that they don't get their development curbed.
So wait a year or two.. either one of these guys will get back on the horse or you'll be replacing them anyways but on an up and coming team instead of a team going the other way.
This draft we ought to be looking closely at what's available goaltender-wise. Trading is just so risky. Everyone assumed we had a steal with Bernier and that hasn't exactly panned out yet.
At this point I think goaltending is lower on the list of priorities, which gives us time to see if we can get a prospect pretty cheap or dig around and see what's available in the next couple of drafts. It's definitely a big hole in the team, but what isn't is a better question.
At this point I think goaltending is lower on the list of priorities, which gives us time to see if we can get a prospect pretty cheap or dig around and see what's available in the next couple of drafts. It's definitely a big hole in the team, but what isn't is a better question.
Here is an interesting quote from elliotte friedman
“To me right now, the biggest question this organization has is: ‘What are we going to look like in goal in three years?’
“That is the question I think they’ve got to be asking. I know they’ve started looking around and seeing what is available out there. Because I look at their organization right now and I see young players coming at forward. I see some young defensemen. I don’t see clarity long term in goal. And in this league, if you don’t have goaltending – you don’t got nothing"
“To me right now, the biggest question this organization has is: ‘What are we going to look like in goal in three years?’
“That is the question I think they’ve got to be asking. I know they’ve started looking around and seeing what is available out there. Because I look at their organization right now and I see young players coming at forward. I see some young defensemen. I don’t see clarity long term in goal. And in this league, if you don’t have goaltending – you don’t got nothing"
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I dont know if you could draft a goalie right now and hope he's going to be a number 1 for you in the future unless it's a prospect at the Luongo/Price range. any other goalies will probably take 5-6 years to even know what we have. let alone be a true #1, so unless Sparks or Bibeau is the real deal your probably looking at either getting a stop gap for a guy you do draft or trading/signing someone. as I know were rebuilding but Management isn't going to wait 5-6 years for a prospect to develop. so were going to have to go out and aqcuire someone unless Bernier/Reimer/Sparks/Bibeau can take the spot.
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Godla was not drafted. He looked like a young tukka Rask to me the way he was erratically good and a real battler. The leafs should sign him i think. They could leave his development take place in europe too.
Nithoniniel
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Well the defenders of Bernier has just said that we shouldn't give up on him yet. The defenders of Reimer is mainly saying that he is not awful. I don't think anyone is saying that we have "clarity in goal" in the future.
Holymakinaw
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I've been saying this for the last bunch of drafts........DRAFT A TOP GOALIE.
I have no idea why we neglect that, year in and year out. The last top Goalie we drafted was Tuuka Rask, and guess what.........he's pretty good.
It wouldn't hurt us to use a 2nd rounder on a good goalie for once. Right away, in fact.
