Is a record of 36-36-10 .500 or below .500?

[ottawa]

That record is 0.500 P%.
It's not 0.500 W%.

0.500 doesn't really mean anything on its own. It's shorthand for 0.500 W% in most sports but the NHL very clearly defines 0.500 as P%. Hence having P% on the standings and not W%.

Thread should have ended here, all the arguing beyond this post is just pointless and likely wrong.

 

[Toby91ca]

Thread should have ended here, all the arguing beyond this post is just pointless and likely wrong.

Totally agree....when the league prepares standings based on a points system, using win % makes no sense at all....so P% is the only measure people should talk about.

But, as I said before, I don't even talk about either, I just look at points in the standings.

 

[Muffin]

.500 to me. I don't consider 3 on 3 or shoot out "real" hockey. There's a reason they don't exist in the playoffs.

 

[MrLouniverse]

.500 to me. I don't consider 3 on 3 or shoot out "real" hockey. There's a reason they don't exist in the playoffs.

Okay, but a number of those 36 wins certainly came from "not real" hockey.
36-36-10 is a decidedly losing record.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Loser points are beyond idiotic, but as they continue to exist that record is .500.

 

[Toby91ca]

Okay, but a number of those 36 wins certainly came from "not real" hockey.
36-36-10 is a decidedly losing record.

No.....perhaps some of those 36 wins were OT or SO wins, removing doesn't turn into losses. No matter you look at it, the team played to an even win vs. loss record in regulation, anything beyond that is not losing because it's not really the same thing (3v3 or SO).

 

[MrLouniverse]

No.....perhaps some of those 36 wins were OT or SO wins, removing doesn't turn into losses. No matter you look at it, the team played to an even win vs. loss record in regulation, anything beyond that is not losing because it's not really the same thing (3v3 or SO).

No, they didn't. For the purposes of this example, let's assume they won and lost an equal number of overtime/SO games, meaning they played 20 overtime games throughout the season.
They were 26-36 in the 62 regular season games decided in regulation, and 10-10 in the 20 overtime/SO games which "aren't real", for the stipulated 36-36-10 record, overall.
I think you'll find the math checks out.

 

[Toby91ca]

No, they didn't. For the purposes of this example, let's assume they won and lost an equal number of overtime/SO games, meaning they played 20 overtime games throughout the season.
They were 26-36 in the 62 regular season games decided in regulation, and 10-10 in the 20 overtime/SO games which "aren't real", for the stipulated 36-36-10 record, overall.
I think you'll find the math checks out.

Yeah, you’re right, I messed that up

 

[WJCJ]

36 wins and 46 loses isn’t .500 to me

 

[1865]

Win half your games for .500 for me.

 

[The Podium]

Except that since there are no ties, the team has won 36 games and lost 46.

They were gifted a point in 10 of those losses.

They weren’t gifted anything. A tie at the end of regulation is, and always has been, 1 point.

The winner of the gimmick skills competition that is 3-on-3 or SO is gifted a point

I hate 3-on-3 and SO so much.

 

[jiggy35]

30 wins and 40 losses in my books.
Just happened to get an extra point in 10 of the losses.

36 & 46*

 

[swiftwin]

Math is math. It doesn't care how you feel. .500 is .500.

It just means .500 is not as good as it used to be.

 

[JadedLeaf]

.500 to me.

0-0-82 or 41-41-0

All the same to me.

Theres a 41 win difference... they aren't the same at all.

Math is math. It doesn't care how you feel. .500 is .500.

It just means .500 is not as good as it used to be.

No it means .500 is something completely different than it used to be..

.500 win percentage isn't the same at .500 point percentage which is what some of you guys seem to be caught up on.

 

[swiftwin]

No it means .500 is something completely different than it used to be..

.500 win percentage isn't the same at .500 point percentage which is what some of you guys seem to be caught up on.

.500 win percentage has no meaning and is completely irrelevant.

Like it or not, you get points for losing in OT. A team that is 37-36-9 (below .500 win percentage) is going to be higher in the standings than a team that is 41-41-0 (.500 win percentage).

 

[pcruz]

.500 win percentage has no meaning and is completely irrelevant.

Like it or not, you get points for losing in OT. A team that is 37-36-9 (below .500 win percentage) is going to be higher in the standings than a team that is 41-41-0 (.500 win percentage).

Of course it's irrelevant.

Colloquially, we use .500 to say when someone or something is right about average.

50/50, so so, comme ci comme ça


With the possibility of some 2 and some 3 point hockey games, the base for what is .500 is unknown now and it's hard to determine whether 2 completely average teams are so, by just looking at the standings.

 

[swiftwin]

Of course it's irrelevant.

Colloquially, we use .500 to say when someone or something is right about average.

50/50, so so, comme ci comme ça


With the possibility of some 2 and some 3 point hockey games, the base for what is .500 is unknown now and it's hard to determine whether 2 completely average teams are so, by just looking at the standings.

Then say 50/50, so so, comme ci comme ca, average, etc instead of "500". 500 has a specific mathematical meaning.

 

[pcruz]

Then say 50/50, so so, comme ci comme ca, average, etc instead of "500". 500 has a specific mathematical meaning.

We've been saying .500 for decades.

The NHL in its infinite wisdom, f***ed up the point system 18 years ago and it's been a total shit show since.

 

[swiftwin]

We've been saying .500 for decades.

The NHL in its infinite wisdom, f***ed up the point system 18 years ago and it's been a total shit show since.

It sounds to me like the current definition of 500 has been in place for decades. Almost two decades to be precise.

 

[Devil Dancer]

It's below .500 because the NHL gives out more than 2 points per game.

 

[Xspyrit]

Why is there 5 pages in this thread? This is something factual and very basic