Kravitch said:Considering that the MLB may put a team in Virginia, I say anything is possible.
Great post, IMO.Sotnos said:I agree with you on that (no disrespect to those fans), these were totally cash grabs to keep the other teams afloat for a while with those expansion fees, my own favorite team included. I read somewhere (can't remember where at the moment) that the only reason the current CBA was extended in '99 was so the last expansion would go through and more expansion money would be put in the pot.
At this point however, we have 30 teams, and those same people whose teams were part of this cash grab need to realize that it's the responsibility of ALL to help those teams succeed. You can't just contract them with a "hey, thanks for playing and thanks for helping me make my payroll a few years ago, see ya".
I agree.Roughneck said:I want to know what everybodys problem with Nashvill is as well.
NJ or NYI (one) though the island has dedicated fans so prolly NJ
Rancid said:frankly there are teams you just can't get rid of.....
Montreal
Toronto
NYR
Detroit
Chicago
Boston
There's too much history.
Other teams that shouldn't be removed
Minnesota (Dedicated fans)
Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, Vancouver (dedicated fans)
Teams they should add....
Winnepeg, Atlantic Provinces squad, Maybe a team from Maine....
To get rid of....
Doubles in states....
LA or Anaheim
FLA or TB
NJ or NYI (one) though the island has dedicated fans so prolly NJ
Southern Teams w/ no fan base
Nashville, Columbus, Maybe even Atlanta....
Honestly...who watches hockey in Texas..bye bye Dallas.....
DownFromNJ said:Island has dedicated fans? You mean the team with a 15,254 average attendence over 5 years? The Isles? The team with the 12,812 attendence over 5 years?
And who the hell wants to eliminate Dallas? One of the single best franchises in the NHL.
MooseHunter said:Phoenix back to where it started - Winnipeg. Regardless of what you all think, there were reasons why the attendence sucked the last few years the Jets were here. The #1 reason as to why? The owner said he would have kept the Jets in Winnipeg if the citizens raised a certain amount of money (I don't remember what that figure was), the citizens raised this amount and the pucker still moved the franchise. #2 Winnipeg desperately needed a new arena, owner wouldn't build one. The Winnipeg Arena was falling apart back 10 years ago and yet now it's the Manitoba Moose that get the new arena? Why do you think Jets fans didn't show up? They got shafted. Winnipeg would be a very successful franchise, if the CBA allows it.
Kravitch said:I heard that the cheaper seats in the arena were dreadful, thats why nobody ever bought tickets there.
I'll do your research for you, since you've apparently done little more than a cursory check of the final standings on the ice before declaring Columbus to be a bad market.Rancid said:as for Columbus.. well they are in Ohio which isn't quite south but do the have fan bases even close to as comparable to Minnesota or MTL.
Never!! ()Spezza said:If I were God, I would be concerned to see Hockey fans of all teams scrambling for salvation. It's the eternal cycle of those in traditional markets saying that the last teams in should be the first teams out; and expansion team fans retaliating like for like.
Personally, I wouldn't want to contract a team. Nearly everyone on this board loves to see NHL hockey, they love there team and don't want to see them leave. I don't think anyone should ever have to go through the possibility that there team is done. There are knowlegable and nice fans from every team on this board (even the leafs), so having seen interesting opinions from them I find it hard to nominate anyone for contraction.
However, I'll contract Gary and Bob.
Can't we all be friends?
Spezza said:If I were God, I would be concerned to see Hockey fans of all teams scrambling for salvation. It's the eternal cycle of those in traditional markets saying that the last teams in should be the first teams out; and expansion team fans retaliating like for like.
Personally, I wouldn't want to contract a team. Nearly everyone on this board loves to see NHL hockey, they love there team and don't want to see them leave. I don't think anyone should ever have to go through the possibility that there team is done. There are knowlegable and nice fans from every team on this board (even the leafs), so having seen interesting opinions from them I find it hard to nominate anyone for contraction.
However, I'll contract Gary and Bob.
Can't we all be friends?
MooseHunter said:Winnipeg was a fine franchise until the WHA merged with the NHL, and it has the fan base. With a new CBA, franchises in Hamilton, Winnipeg and Quebec would work. With much lower salaries, profit sharing, and a league that isn't drowning in debit, it will work.
triggrman said:What franchise wouldn't work under these conditions?
MooseHunter said:DownFromNJ, please learn how to spell Winnipeg, it really is insulting. It's not Winnepeg, it's Winnipeg.
Winnipeg was a fine franchise until the WHA merged with the NHL, and it has the fan base. With a new CBA, franchises in Hamilton, Winnipeg and Quebec would work. With much lower salaries, profit sharing, and a league that isn't drowning in debit, it will work. You may not know the city of Winnipeg, but I sure as hell do, and we got shafted by the Jets last owner and we got shafted by the league. I'm not even a Jets fan to begin with, but this city misses that team and they deserve it a whole flipping lot more than half the cities in the United States. Half the small prairie hick towns (don't mean to offend anyone) deserve a team more than Phoenix, Carolina, or where ever the heck the Panthers play.
nomorekids said:the markets that in his not-so-humble opinion, "don't deserve franchises"
Thresher said:(I've omitted cities without franchises - for example, Mexico City is #1)...
2. New York, United States...Rangers
3. Los Angeles, United States...Kings
4. Chicago, United States...Blackhawks
5. Toronto, Canada...Maple Leafs
11. Philadelphia, United States...Flyers
13. Phoenix, United States...Coyotes
17. Dallas, United States...Stars
25. Montreal, Canada...Canadiens
27. Detroit, United States...Red Wings
30. San Jose, United States...Sharks
31. Calgary, Canada...Flames
36. Columbus, United States...Blue Jackets
40. Edmonton, Canada...Oilers
49. Boston, United States...Bruins
55. Nashville, United States...Predators
56. Denver, United States...Avalanche
58. Washington, United States...Capitals
66. Vancouver, Canada....Canucks
83. Atlanta, United States...Thrashers
98. Miami, United States...Panthers
103. Saint Louis, United States...Blues
108. Ottawa, Canada...Senators
126. Buffalo, United States...Sabres
146. Anaheim, United States....Mighty Ducks of
117. Pittsburgh, United States...Penguins
123. Tampa, United States...Lightning
131. Raleigh, United States...Hurricanes
Sotnos said:If Carolina had a winner, people would show up, they certainly have the population and the income levels to support a team.
nomorekids said:Hockey in Winnipeg failed already. We've been over that. Had they been selling out their games when they were moved, we might make a case for it. And this is coming from a guy who grew up loving the Jets. It saddens me that it didn't work, but it didn't work, nonetheless.