Proposal: Hronek for Liljegren +

[Peter Griffin]

Even if we get rid of Mikheyev, we still won’t be able to bring back the same roster. Best case scenario, we’d at least lose some support players like Blueger and Myers.

Yea they’re going to lose some support players in Cole/Blueger, but even in your example you’ve upgraded by adding Tanev over Cole and Blueger($2.1M)+ Mikheyev buyout($3M) and not carrying an extra goalie($950k) could equal Lindholm’s salary($6M~). That’s arguably a better team than this year.

I think it would take more than a 2nd to move 2 years of Mikheyev. Marleau wasn’t much more expensive (relative to the league salary cap at the time) and he cost a 1st with 1 year remaining on his contract.

The issue with Marleau was he was like $6M in actual cash and wasn’t playing and Toronto had to move him. It’s not the same thing when a team is acquiring a warm body they can actually utilize.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

I appreciate that but Myers, Cole, Blueger, DeSmith and Lafferty come off the books. A Mikheyev dump is also an option or buyout.

Top 4 RHD in their prime is extremely hard to find. Especially at the acquisition cost the Canucks paid to acquire him.

The cap is also going to continue to go up as well.

Here's my take as a nucks fan, love Hronek but he needs to come down on his apparent ask of 8+, his game tailed off a lot and he definitely got a bump playing with Quinn.

There is also the fact that Myers and Zadorov have been equally important, Myers has been so good this season to the point Tochett relies on him more than anyone other than Quinn and both him and Zadorov have been our best dmen in the playoffs.

If we did move on from Hronek I highly doubt a dman would be the target, getting EP an actual fit on his wing would be the logical target.

So as crazy at it seems to trade a guy who fit in so we'll, there is a scenario where it might make more sense and that would be using him to upgrade the top six, re-sign Myers, Zadorov and maybe bring in Tanev who we know Quinn loves playing with and would be a great mentor for Willander.

Price would be pretty steep as he's certainly worth more now than what we paid.

 

[Xirik]

Why do some Canucks fan want to Ruin Quinn Hughes's life?

 

[Oddbob]

Would Leafs fans be interested in this, assuming they get bounced in the 1st round and look for a roster shakeup during the off-season?

Canucks need to free up cap space and re-signing Joshua, Zadorov, and possibly Lindholm seem to be a bigger priority than Hronek now.

This would particularly be interesting if the Leafs deal Marner, as they will receive more assets and have more cap space.

Hronek is likely going to re-sign for $7-7.5 million x 7 years.

Why does Van do this? They move out money so they can re-sign a lower tier defender? Hronek is much better than Liljegren.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

... Liljegren is the centerpiece you want for Hronek?!

 

[mapleleafs34]

No idea why the Canucks would do this but sign me up

 

[BKarchitect]

Crazy how the playoffs can change the perspective of a player. Zadorov is now playing more time per game and having a bigger impact in every single zone than Hronek, not to mention being way more physical and determined out there.

You would have been laughed out the room if you had suggested in January that Zadorov would be a more important defenseman for any team within a few months.

It's just another emphasis on the point that building a team to win in April and May is different than just trying to accumulate wins in the regular season. I'm not saying Hronek doesn't have an important part to play on the Canucks moving forward or that Zadorov is "better". But it truly becomes a different game in the spring and guys with different attributes and styles tend to shine.

 

[DomBarr]

Would Leafs fans be interested in this, assuming they get bounced in the 1st round and look for a roster shakeup during the off-season?

Canucks need to free up cap space and re-signing Joshua, Zadorov, and possibly Lindholm seem to be a bigger priority than Hronek now.

This would particularly be interesting if the Leafs deal Marner, as they will receive more assets and have more cap space.

Hronek is likely going to re-sign for $7-7.5 million x 7 years.

Only the Canucks would look to trade a really good, young top 4 dman who played great with Hughes in order to resign a bottom pair dman like Zadorov.

 

[Misko]

Seems backwards. Get Hronek done and then fit the other pieces in around with what is left.

Not necessarily. I think a lot of Canucks fans would rather sign Joshua and Zadorov as the top two priority UFAs, followed by Myers and Lindholm, and then Hronek if there's room, and even though some would like to bring back Tanev. Hronek has 3 assists in his last 25 games (playoffs included) and hasn't looked great this playoffs, lots of mistakes and has just looked invisible. Lots of people think he's being carried by Hughes and isn't worth the huge price tag he might want.

 

[BKarchitect]

Only the Canucks would look to trade a really good, young top 4 dman who played great with Hughes in order to resign a bottom pair dman like Zadorov.

Except with all the chips on the line, that’s not how the pecking order has been. Zadorov has been way more impactful and has earned more ice time, second only to Quinn. Z has always possessed big potential and always endears himself with his hard physical style.

There’s definitely a line of thought here as well that Hronek is going to get paid by some magnitude more than Zadorov after his big offensive year next to Quinn. This isn’t an apples to apples comp.

All that said - sure, Zadorov has “flashed” before only to have too many mental lapses and being returned to third pair duty. And the idea that there will be a great contract savings here between these two may very well come undone by the very play that makes Z desirable to keep. It’s a bit ironic in the sense that the more here helps the Canucks progress as a main cog, the harder he is going to be to keep at a reasonable cost.

 

[DomBarr]

Except with all the chips on the line, that’s not how the pecking order has been. Zadorov has been way more impactful and has earned more ice time, second only to Quinn. Z has always possessed big potential and always endears himself with his hard physical style.

There’s definitely a line of thought here as well that Hronek is going to get paid by some magnitude more than Zadorov after his big offensive year next to Quinn. This isn’t an apples to apples comp.

All that said - sure, Zadorov has “flashed” before only to have too many mental lapses and being returned to third pair duty. And the idea that there will be a great contract savings here between these two may very well come undone by the very play that makes Z desirable to keep. It’s a bit ironic in the sense that the more here helps the Canucks progress as a main cog, the harder he is going to be to keep at a reasonable cost.

you say that until the Canucks extend Zadorov at like $4 M per for 4 yrs and you have to pay him to play in non-contract years.

 

[BKarchitect]

you say that until the Canucks extend Zadorov at like $4 M per for 4 yrs and you have to pay him to play in non-contract years.

I’m not a Canucks fan, so not to speak for all of them - but I’d wager they be thrilled to have Z back at 4x4.

If he keeps this up in the playoffs, I think he may blow past that mark with ease on the open market.