http://www.pointstreak.com/framed/prostats/playerpage.html?playerid=155744&seasonid=555
Those numbers seem pretty impressive to me.
Those numbers seem pretty impressive to me.
Hockey's Future Top 50 Prospects: 11-25
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Montoya 17 spots higher than Schwarz when more reputable sources had Schwarz ranked higher before the draft? Hillarious.
The Mighty Duck Man
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Patrick freaking O'Sullivan beat out Ryan Getzlaf in the top 25? O'Sullivan's good, but I'd definetely take Getzlaf over him.
As a matter of fact, in the re-do of the 2003 draft, Getzlaf was picked higher than Brown and O'Sullivan, and was just below Stewart and Carter.
Glad to see at least one Ducks prospect in the top 25. A bit disappointed Smid didn't make the top 50, but I'm sure by next season he'll be up there.
As a matter of fact, in the re-do of the 2003 draft, Getzlaf was picked higher than Brown and O'Sullivan, and was just below Stewart and Carter.
Glad to see at least one Ducks prospect in the top 25. A bit disappointed Smid didn't make the top 50, but I'm sure by next season he'll be up there.
Slats432
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The NHL teams saw it differently, it isn't that hard to believe that Montoya is higher ranked than Schwarz, and considering his less than spectacular showing at the WJC and Montoya's Gold Medal.Stich said:
As a Blues fan, I know you would have liked to have seen Schwarz higher, but overall, the committee saw the facts differently than the "more reputable services" you speak of. Considering he was the THIRD goalie taken in the draft, I think that his inclusion at the expense of Devan Dubnyk should be taken as vindication as opposed to your disallusionment.
Does insulting me make you feel better about being involved with this joke of a list? MUCH more reputable souces than Hockey's Future had Schwarz higher than Montoya going into the draft, and that was after Montoya's great WJC.
Oh, and 'NHL teams' didnt' see differently. ONE NHL team thought Montoya was better than Schwarz. Just like ONE NHL team thought that Dubnyk was better than Schwarz.
Like I said after the organization rankings came out... I'll enjoy the next few years. Let's see who's 'disallusionment' we're talking about then.
Oh, and 'NHL teams' didnt' see differently. ONE NHL team thought Montoya was better than Schwarz. Just like ONE NHL team thought that Dubnyk was better than Schwarz.
Like I said after the organization rankings came out... I'll enjoy the next few years. Let's see who's 'disallusionment' we're talking about then.
Stich said:
I dont see how comparing this lists to others works. If McKeens said Montoya over Schawrz would you scream out "Well its wrong, Red Line says Schwarz over Montoya".
if all you have to base a complaint off of is someone else's opinion then you have no right to complain. If you've seen a prospect play and think he's been snubbed fine, but if your only going off what you've read then please don't start saying that you've been wronged.
Fists of Fuhry
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NYRangers said:
Try reading a little closer. What I was complaining about was Montoya being 17
spots higher, not about Montoya being higher.
Fists of Fuhry said:
Yea, you're right. I'm such a homer for thinking that Montoya shouldn't be 17 spots higher than Schwarz when most reputable sources ranked Schwarz higher than Montoya before the draft. Yep, that sure makes me a homer.
NYRangers said:
Since you're clearly having some comprehension issues, let's go back to my post:
Montoya 17 spots higher than Schwarz when more reputable sources had Schwarz ranked higher before the draft? Hillarious.
First of all, as you can clearly see, I never once said 'everyone', so please don't quote something that I never said.
Secondly, anyone with a 5th grade education would understand that what I'm complaining about here is Montoya being 17 spots higher, NOT the fact that Montoya is higher.
Stich said:
Take the beer goggles off my arguement is your words. How convinient.
" MUCH more reputable souces than Hockey's Future had Schwarz higher than Montoya going into the draft, and that was after Montoya's great WJC."
There is your arguement for the above debate, aswell as mine.
Hercules Rockefeller said:
Patrick O'Sullivan was drafted with a lot of baggage. He had 'attitude' problems, couldn't play defense, and was pretty much considered a one-dimensional player right?
Two years later, O'Sullivan is in the top 10, if not top 5, for +/- ratio. He has more assists than goals. Reports are saying he is usually helping to cover the defense. He doesn't have wonderful, gifted players playing with him. Painchaud was traded. Shantz is a great goaltender but he can't do it all by himself. O'Sullivan also led some major upsets last year and is helping again to lead a phenominal team.
A couple years ago, the IceDogs were a horrible team. O'Sullivan had the chance to leave the team like Schremp. But he stayed. Not a slight on Schremp but O'Sullivan has become a leader to the rookies and the young players around him. Older players or players his age look to him to lead.
If you tell me, O'Sullivan is an awesome player. I was extremely diappointed to hear they canceled the season because right now O'Sullivan SHOULD be playing in the NHL.
But he is in the OHL and having fun.
He has put the past behind him and his problems, like Schremp, were overblown.
You might take Getzlaf over O'Sullivan but I wouldn't. I like O'Sullivan because he has proven to me that good or bad, he sticks with a team and he gets players to mold around him. He has shown he can learn, that he can play, and he can utilize players around him.
I, though question, Kostitsyn's very high ranking and Montoya's but no matter. Hopefully O'Sullivan will continue going lower on the ranks.
Riggins
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17 spots isn't much to write home about. Quite a few of the players are so close or on par with those around them, that the difference between 20 spots is merely because one is seen as a marginally better prospect, or has one little thing that the other (Schwarz in this case) doesn't have. For all we know by the end of the season the two could be swapped. It's that close.Stich said:
TML said:
Here is a consperacy theory and i hope im wrong
maybe milan michalek isnt on this list with his injuries and all and mark stuart takes his place in the top 10
again hop im wrong but its possible
Stuart not making this list is very odd
NYRangers said:
How many times do have to say that my issue is the 17 spot difference before you get it?
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Hercules Rockefeller said:
I am with you ... I am a huge Getzlaf Fan .. and If I was picking among the players you listed I would want Getzlaf on my team ahead of Sullivan and Brown .. he may not produce as much as they might offensively .. but he is just so important to his team and a real horse and as a WHL season ticket holder ..Is easily one of the favourite prospects to follow..
AGAIN...
Do you guys actually know who is on the IceDogs team and how really important O'Sullivan is to the team? Do you know that he also plays defense?
Do you guys actually know who is on the IceDogs team and how really important O'Sullivan is to the team? Do you know that he also plays defense?
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