HFVan Hockey League 2017-18 (Now Up: Nucker101 - 8:45 AM)

[Intoewsables]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxhihqDAwS-WJdZ1izkA81uckAFWR7WpYRnMDys-KMM

Fantasy Draft Spreadsheet
Regular: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SuogqOpDtx1Wsith_wc5EEIQPXjwGHpzH6GVQYlif1I#gid=0
Mobile: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SuogqOpDtx1Wsith_wc5EEIQPXjwGHpzH6GVQYlif1I/pubhtml

Rosters
Regular: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fiw67aLKnRI-XMWK9FkMVzOC9yLE9ZfxweJwuHMFtPc
Mobile: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fiw67aLKnRI-XMWK9FkMVzOC9yLE9ZfxweJwuHMFtPc/pubhtml

Discord (Chat)
https://discord.gg/J4YyvC8
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Fantasy Draft Rules
1. There will be 34 rounds.

2. If you wish to trade picks you must have an equal number of picks going back and forth.

3. Time limits:
June: 8 hour time limits
July: 4 hour time limits
August: 2 hour time limits
(If needed, we will shift towards 1 hour time limits at the end of August)

4. This is going to be a snake draft, so Carolina will end up with the last pick in the second round and so on.

5. If you have a trade, one of myself or PG must verify it before it goes through. Both GMs must PM or message one of us on Discord to confirm the deal, and then we'll post it.

6. After you've made your pick, PLEASE PM the next person or message them on Discord to let them know they're up. I will try and message anyone on Discord when they're up to pick but it's a lot less work for me if we all chip in. (This is less important at the moment since we're drafting without time limits, but it'll be huge later on in the summer.)

You may only have 1 starting goaltender. Here is the list of goaltenders that are considered to be a starter.

1. Matt Murray
2. John Gibson
3. Jonathan Quick
4. Devan Dubnyk
5. Pekka Rinne
6. Braden Holtby
7. Henrik Lundqvist
8. Martin Jones
9. Tuukka Rask
10. Roberto Luongo
11. Ben Bishop
12. Craig Anderson
13. Corey Crawford
14. Marc-Andre Fleury
15. Cory Schneider
16. Semyon Varlamov
17. Cam Talbot
18. Steve Mason
19. Carey Price
20. Sergei Bobrovsky
21. Jake Allen
22. Frederik Andersen
23. Cam Ward
24. Andrei Vasilevskiy
25. Robin Lehner
26. Mike Smith

Click to read more...

 

[PG Canuck]

Teams
- RandV
- Intoewsables
- Wennberg
- Bgav
- Chubros
- Goon42
- Nucker101
- Raistlin1022
- Havre
- Tryamkin
- GarryValkyrie
- OEL for Norris
- ATypicalCanadian
- VanillaCoke
- Pip
- dim jim
- ModernUser
- HankNDank
- ahmon
- FacepalmBenning
- Rolo
- NeoCanuck
- Maticus
- PG Canuck
- wasint
- donut
- HighAndTight
- FOurteenS inCisOr
- Lucbourdon
- Elusive Derposaurus
- StrictlyCommercial

 

[Canucks LB]

If you have room, Ill join another one. I have 1 Main one, very active player. ty

 

[Intoewsables]

If you have room, Ill join another one. I have 1 Main one, very active player. ty

There's still plenty of room. 28 more spots, to be exact.

 

[RandV]

I'll want to look into it a little more tomorrow but sure why not.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

I'm game.

 

[PG Canuck]

I'll want to look into it a little more tomorrow but sure why not.

If you have any questions about scoring rules etc we can get you info on that.

We are on another forum where a good base of rules is set that we will essentially be using for a league here.

 

[ahmon]

Whats the scoring rules?

 

[RandV]

If you have any questions about scoring rules etc we can get you info on that.

We are on another forum where a good base of rules is set that we will essentially be using for a league here.

I'm more wondering to what extent do we fill everything out. Is it like a full NHL roster (obviously), AHL roster, and 7 round draft, or is some of the latter two minimized?

Personally I'm kind of skeptical about doing a full 218 player prospect draft. One league I'm in the entry draft is 120 players (24 teamx x 5 rounds), so late bloomers passed over from previous years plus under 24/25 UFA signings out of college/Europe can be selected alongside the existing draft class. Makes things a bit more exciting in my opinion, for example last summer I took Nikita Zaitsev at #16 overall and Nikita Gusev at #117.

 

[Canucks LB]

Whats the scoring rules?

I hope they are identical to the hf boards premier league

 

[Intoewsables]

I'm more wondering to what extent do we fill everything out. Is it like a full NHL roster (obviously), AHL roster, and 7 round draft, or is some of the latter two minimized?

Personally I'm kind of skeptical about doing a full 218 player prospect draft. One league I'm in the entry draft is 120 players (24 teamx x 5 rounds), so late bloomers passed over from previous years plus under 24/25 UFA signings out of college/Europe can be selected alongside the existing draft class. Makes things a bit more exciting in my opinion, for example last summer I took Nikita Zaitsev at #16 overall and Nikita Gusev at #117.

Full NHL roster, full-ish AHL roster (basically no AHL roster guidelines other than a ~50 contract max overall), and probably a 3-5 round prospect draft. A lot of these things are open for debate though, such as the scoring structure.

I hope they are identical to the hf boards premier league

How do they do it?

 

[donut]

Sign me up. I'm interested.

 

[RandV]

How do they do it?

It's a standard Yahoo H2H league, so not sure how applicable it is here.

 

[The Canuck]

I'm In.

 

[PG Canuck]

It's a standard Yahoo H2H league, so not sure how applicable it is here.

Pickup hockey is different. Usually we don't do head to head, not sure if pickup has that option as I've never really looked but I doubt it.

 

[Balls Mahoney]

I'll play. Sounds like fun.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

So this is different than the other game that will be going on this board in that it runs for the whole season and we take players seasons and points overall into account ?

Sounds interesting I think I'll give it a try.

 

[Balls Mahoney]

BTW would this be keeper? I would assume so with the minor league format you want to use.

 

[Intoewsables]

Whats the scoring rules?

Just realized I didn't really reply to this before. The scoring structure hasn't been decided on yet and if you guys have any input on that front, I'd love to hear it.

So this is different than the other game that will be going on this board in that it runs for the whole season and we take players seasons and points overall into account ?

Can't speak to anything with regards to "the other game", but yeah, the last part of your sentence is correct. Your players accumulate pool points over the course of the season, and the teams with the most total pool points make the playoffs. The playoff structure is going to be the same as the way it is in the NHL with the top 3 teams in each division making the playoffs, plus two wildcard teams.

BTW would this be keeper? I would assume so with the minor league format you want to use.

Yup, it'll be a keeper league.

 

[Raistlin]

count me in!

 

[PG Canuck]

So this is different than the other game that will be going on this board in that it runs for the whole season and we take players seasons and points overall into account ?

Sounds interesting I think I'll give it a try.

This will be different because it won't be based on yahoo where you have to bench players etc. You can ice a 23 man roster, and all will gain points throughout the season. No benching players.

It also won't be a head to head style league, where you play one GM one week and another the next. It'll be division based, just like the NHL with the wildcard format for the playoffs. So if you're an Eastern team, you're basically battling the rest of your Eastern Conference opponents to make the playoffs.

We are offering a new type of league to HF, where it's not yahoo and not head to head, which are the two main things Intoewsables and I are not fond of at all. For that reason alone, we thought we would offer a different style of fantasy league that may fit the interests of others around HFCanucks.

 

[PG Canuck]

Whats the scoring rules?

This isn't an official scoring structure we are proposing, as we are open to listening what everyone has to think, but this is what we go with in another league we are in, and it works great:


Forwards
Goal/Assist: 4 points
PP Point: +1 point
SH Point: +3 points
OT Point: +3 points
GWG: +3 points
PIM: 1 point per minute
+/- : 1 points per each + rating
Hattrick: +3 Points
SO Winning Goal: +1 Point

Defense
Goal/Assist: 5 points
PP Point: +1 point
SH Point: +3 points
OT Point: +3 points
GWG: +3 points
PIM: 1 point per minute
+/- : 1 points per each + rating
Hattrick: +3 points
SO Winning Goal: +1 Point

Goaltenders
Win: 10 points
OTL: 5 points
SO: +10 points
Goal: 99 points
Assist: 10 points
PIM = 1 point per minute


It's simple and easy. I myself am not too fond on hits and blocks, but we could obviously discuss that. This scoring structure has made the good majority of the NHL players valuable though.


This basis of scoring structure has been used for many years, for many different pools and no one has had too much of an issue with it. It's calculated to weigh stars to actually be stars, and depth players to be depth players. That is why I don't like blocks because someone like Kris Russell could be weighed as good as some top 3 defensemen since he blocks so many shots which boosts his value unnecessarily.

 

[PG Canuck]

BTW would this be keeper? I would assume so with the minor league format you want to use.

As Intoews said, it'll be a keeper but I just want to expand on that a bit. Since I know the yahoo pools here only allow to keep a certain amount of players and then ones not protected get put into a draft and basically recycled year after year.

For this pool, you keep everyone. Some may not like that as it may not 'challenge' you enough or whatever you want to reason it. For a 31 team league (or close to it as we are going to push for), there's no reason to really recycle through players and do a draft for them. Being in a large league is a challenge itself, while managing a salary cap, and keeping your players happy (no top six players in your bottom six etc...this creates parity).

 

[RandV]

This basis of scoring structure has been used for many years, for many different pools and no one has had too much of an issue with it. It's calculated to weigh stars to actually be stars, and depth players to be depth players. That is why I don't like blocks because someone like Kris Russell could be weighed as good as some top 3 defensemen since he blocks so many shots which boosts his value unnecessarily.

Is this scoring structure tested against a league as large as the one we're looking at here, with 31 teams and 20-23 man rosters?

For example, I did a quick conversion with Edmonton's forward roster, capturing most of the stats you listed from what's immediately available from the NHL page (no hat trick, SO, or OT A):

Player G/A PP SHP OTG GWG PIM +/- TOTAL
Connor McDavid 400 27 6 3 18 26 27 507
Leon Draisaitl 308 27 0 9 15 20 7 386
Jordan Eberle 204 14 0 0 0 16 3 237
Milan Lucic 200 25 0 0 9 50 -3 281
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 172 11 0 3 12 29 -10 217
Patrick Maroon 168 6 0 0 15 95 13 297
Mark Letestu 140 14 9 3 18 17 -2 199
Zack Kassian 96 0 0 0 0 101 4 201
Drake Caggiula 72 5 3 0 6 16 3 105
Benoit Pouliot 56 0 0 0 3 34 -5 88
Tyler Pitlick 44 0 0 0 3 6 0 53
Anton Slepyshev 40 0 0 0 0 4 5 49
Jesse Puljujarvi 32 1 0 0 0 10 5 48
Matt Hendricks 28 0 0 0 3 29 -3 57
Iiro Pakarinen 16 0 0 0 3 2 2 23
David Desharnais 16 0 0 0 0 6 -1 21
Anton Lander 16 0 0 0 0 6 2 24
Jujhar Khaira 4 0 0 0 3 2 1 10
Taylor Beck 0 0 0 0 0 4 -1 3

I'd think the idea behind such a deep league like this is you want to get as accurate representation of value from top to bottom as you can. But looking at the Edmonton numbers, I'm worried about the PIM spike that makes Kassian worh double Caggiula and equal to Letestu. Letestu has 11 more overall points than Kassian, and for a bottom six guy is loaded in the other point categories, Kass being Kass shouldn't put him up 2 more points.

So first thing I'd suggest is cutting PIM to 0.25 per minute, so goons don't dominate the bottom level.

 

[Intoewsables]

Is this scoring structure tested against a league as large as the one we're looking at here, with 31 teams and 20-23 man rosters?

For example, I did a quick conversion with Edmonton's forward roster, capturing most of the stats you listed from what's immediately available from the NHL page (no hat trick, SO, or OT A):

Player G/A PP SHP OTG GWG PIM +/- TOTAL
Connor McDavid 400 27 6 3 18 26 27 507
Leon Draisaitl 308 27 0 9 15 20 7 386
Jordan Eberle 204 14 0 0 0 16 3 237
Milan Lucic 200 25 0 0 9 50 -3 281
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 172 11 0 3 12 29 -10 217
Patrick Maroon 168 6 0 0 15 95 13 297
Mark Letestu 140 14 9 3 18 17 -2 199
Zack Kassian 96 0 0 0 0 101 4 201
Drake Caggiula 72 5 3 0 6 16 3 105
Benoit Pouliot 56 0 0 0 3 34 -5 88
Tyler Pitlick 44 0 0 0 3 6 0 53
Anton Slepyshev 40 0 0 0 0 4 5 49
Jesse Puljujarvi 32 1 0 0 0 10 5 48
Matt Hendricks 28 0 0 0 3 29 -3 57
Iiro Pakarinen 16 0 0 0 3 2 2 23
David Desharnais 16 0 0 0 0 6 -1 21
Anton Lander 16 0 0 0 0 6 2 24
Jujhar Khaira 4 0 0 0 3 2 1 10
Taylor Beck 0 0 0 0 0 4 -1 3

I'd think the idea behind such a deep league like this is you want to get as accurate representation of value from top to bottom as you can. But looking at the Edmonton numbers, I'm worried about the PIM spike that makes Kassian worh double Caggiula and equal to Letestu. Letestu has 11 more overall points than Kassian, and for a bottom six guy is loaded in the other point categories, Kass being Kass shouldn't put him up 2 more points.

So first thing I'd suggest is cutting PIM to 0.25 per minute, so goons don't dominate the bottom level.

It has been tested on this exact setup that we plan on using (and it works fairly well IMO), but there's certainly a few tweaks I'd like to make to it as well. Like you say, it does put a little too much value in PIMs and I'm not crazy about awarding big points for goalie goals. Even if they're incredibly rare, I wouldn't want a playoff spot being decided on some fluky event.