HFBoards Top 32 Wingers - #7
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You literally called them comparable yesterday
Ignoring that they outscored Bennett and Duclair by a whopping 85pts….
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So you are a liar and illiterate?You literally called them comparable yesterday
Ignoring that they outscored Bennett and Duclair by a whopping 85pts….
Might want to look up the word comparable
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Oh so you can read. Glad to see you own up to the lie.
Assuming deployment on a standard 1st line with PP1:
Duclair is a 55-65 point goal scoring winger
Bennett is a 60-75 point 2 way center
Lindholm is a 65-80 point 2 way center
Tkachuk is a 65-80 point complimentary winger
Which large portion of the season did he spend away from Huberdeau?
And if Benmett is so great offensively, why is he so reliant on another player to produce? Shouldn't he be scoring away from Huberdeau?
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Connor McConnor
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There's no way you just said Lindholm is only better than Bennett by 5 points and Tkachuk over Duclair by 10 lol.
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He played 327 minutes without Huberdeau at 5v5, which is 35% of his total 5v5 time last year.
Bennett is a great "neutral zone" offensive player, who benefits from playing with guys who can take advantage of that (like Huberdeau). He transports the puck very well, and is also great off the cycle.
I could ask the same thing about Lindholm though. He's another great 2 way center who really relies on having an elite winger.
You literally just made up numbers
If I just randomly take away 20pts from Tkachuk and add 15-20pts to Duclair/Bennett (to numbers they’ve never hit) then it’s super duper close!
Great argument lil fella
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Yes, that's what projections are. You should know - remember this one:You literally just made up numbers
If I just randomly take away 20pts from Tkachuk and add 15-20pts to Duclair/Bennett (to numbers they’ve never hit) then it’s super duper close!
Great argument lil fella
"Johnny Gaudreau will be a 30-40 point power play specialist"
“In my mind because of numbers I made up, Bennett and Duclair are comparable”
I guess when you put it that way you’re right.
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Bennett with 34 goals and 64 points in 81 career games as a Panther, mostly on PP2 and often with middle 6 linemates.
Lindholm with 42 goals 82 points last year, playing the entirety of that time with Gaudreau and Tkachuk and on PP1.
They're comparable players, but Lindholm is a bit better.
Cool now do Duclair and Tkachuk
It’s cute you’re using Bennett hot streak to end last season into your overall numbers for him too
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The linemate argument is not one that works in Huberdeau’s favor. Duclair scored primary points at essentially the same rate. Yes it’s a nick picked stat but it’s definitely a red flag.
I don’t think you understand. Tkachuk had an outlier season and Bennett/Duclair would add points on PP1.You literally just made up numbers
If I just randomly take away 20pts from Tkachuk and add 15-20pts to Duclair/Bennett (to numbers they’ve never hit) then it’s super duper close!
Great argument lil fella
Duclair has been on like 6 different teams already and was a 40-50pt guy before Huberdeau.
Tkachuk was essentially PPG before Gaudreau was put on his line so not matter what way you shake it he’s a VASTLY better player.
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Why wouldn't I include the largest sample size? Or should I exclude hot streaks and cold streaks?
Tkachuk and Duclair both scored at a 62 and 61 point pace in 2021, respectively.
Tkachuk had 28 points in his first 40 games in 2021 before getting Gaudreau on his line...
And in
and Tkachuk had 77 in 80 in 18/19 while Duclair had 33 in 74.
There’s literally no possible scenario you can try to say they’re even remotely comparable players.
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5v5 p/60 in each of the last 4 seasons:
Tkachuk
2.27
1.97
2.00
3.25
Duclair
2.67
2.04
2.58
2.25
Hmm, certainly looks like they've been quite comparable at 5v5 over the last 4 years, until Tkachuk was boosted by Gaudreau. Duclair was more productive at 5v5 in the prior 3 seasons though.
I'm sure you'll just ignore this or make up some bs excuse, but there it is.
RapidKnight
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Tkachuk scored at 72 point pace the last 3 seasons prior to this season in the middle of the range. Duclair scored at 47 point pace he would easily get to 55 with more 5v5 TOI and PP. What he posted was completely accurate and he even mentioned Duclair was an offensive winger.
The fact Gaudreau’s production was further ahead of his linemates as a percentage and their production was better to begin with makes it very clear he is the better offensive player at even strength last season.
Ahhhh P/60. The most useless stat to ever exist.
Why don’t you use their ACTUAL points produced and get back to me?
There’s a reason Duclair was given so few minutes and traded/let go by five different teams before Florida.
So we are once again taking away points from Tkachuk and giving points to Duclair because “reasons”
Gotcha.
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RapidKnight
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Yes because the basis of his argument was 1st line minutes. The Tkachuk stat was literally the one YOU asked for in your prior post.
I’m patiently Waiting for you to list their actual point totals.
By your logic it’s confirmed Kevin Fiala and Filip Forsberg were better than McDavid this season.
Do you disagree? If so then how come?
No, it’s you making up numbers ion a gut feeling. Nothing more nothing less.
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