Player Discussion Henrik Lundqvist

[Baby Duck Homme]

It means we're middle of the pack in expected goals for, per 60 minutes, and dead-****ing-last in expected goals against, per 60 minutes.

Got it. Our goaltending is keeping us in games as per usual. We need to send more pucks at the opposition net too. This has been the story of Hanks career.

 

[mrhockey193195]

One can make a case that he is top-5 all time. There is plenty there to appreciate already.

As someone who's obsessed with the history of the game, I don't believe there's any argument to make for Hank to be top 5. But that's no slight on him and there's no shame in that. The sport as we recognize it today is over 100 years old and there have been exceptional players from inception until now. Hank's in the conversation for top 20 all time, and almost definitely in the top 30, which is astoundingly good. He's a HOFer without a shred of doubt.

 

[True Blue]

As someone who's obsessed with the history of the game, I don't believe there's any argument to make for Hank to be top 5. But that's no slight on him and there's no shame in that. The sport as we recognize it today is over 100 years old and there have been exceptional players from inception until now. Hank's in the conversation for top 20 all time, and almost definitely in the top 30, which is astoundingly good. He's a HOFer without a shred of doubt.

Fair enough.

Without hijacking the thread, may I ask what your top 10 is?

 

[LionsHeart]

Hank is still way more capable at his postion than Eli Manning is.

Absolutely, but I think it’s comparable in that we all know Hank’s career is at its end, and when is it right to cut bait. Do we extend him next year, or is it time for one of the kids to win the spot.

 

[TheDirtyH]

As someone who's obsessed with the history of the game, I don't believe there's any argument to make for Hank to be top 5. But that's no slight on him and there's no shame in that. The sport as we recognize it today is over 100 years old and there have been exceptional players from inception until now. Hank's in the conversation for top 20 all time, and almost definitely in the top 30, which is astoundingly good. He's a HOFer without a shred of doubt.

didn't the NHL make a top 100 players list and Toews was in over Malkin?

None of that stuff really matters. He's an all-time great. A 7th round pick at that. Hard to name a contemporary with as impressive a career. Impossible really. Luongo? Comes closest probably, but there isn't a goalie who's been as consistently great as Lunqvist has, and it's a short list historically too.

 

[Chimpradamus]

We are falling if the chart there. Does that mean we give up more scoring chances than any other team in the league? If so, last nights game would even skew that further.

It did. And in terms of goalie stats, Hank is now officially a goalie outlier.

 

[Fataldogg]

Absolutely, but I think it’s comparable in that we all know Hank’s career is at its end, and when is it right to cut bait. Do we extend him next year, or is it time for one of the kids to win the spot.

They need to earn the spot. Lundqvist is still better than Georgiev. Georgiev shouldnt be starter because he is the younger of the two. You go with your best. Henrik still has some gas left in the tank.

 

[mrhockey193195]

Fair enough.

Without hijacking the thread, may I ask what your top 10 is?

1 and 2 are Hasek and Roy. I often flip back and forth between them...for the longest time I had Hasek at 1, now it’s Patrick.

Plante is 3. In no order, 4-6 are Brodeur, Sawchuk, and Hall.

(fwiw that top six is pretty consistent across most historians’ lists, though the orders will vary wildly)

7 and 8 are Dryden and Tretiak. After that, it gets a bit messy but it’s some ordering of Benedict, Brimsek, Broda, Durnan, Parent, Vezina, Tony O. Maybe one or two others I’m forgetting (writing this down right before I fall asleep...).

Belfour comes in right around 15 for me. If Hank has a handful of top notch seasons left in him, I can see him getting that high.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's true. You're right, signing Gomez was a winning move in the long run, but only because Montreal was even dumber, lol.

And McDonagh got us Howden. Let's not forget that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hank is still capable of manning the net. But I dont want him here past this contract

 

[True Blue]

1 and 2 are Hasek and Roy. I often flip back and forth between them...for the longest time I had Hasek at 1, now it’s Patrick.

Plante is 3. In no order, 4-6 are Brodeur, Sawchuk, and Hall.

(fwiw that top six is pretty consistent across most historians’ lists, though the orders will vary wildly)

7 and 8 are Dryden and Tretiak. After that, it gets a bit messy but it’s some ordering of Benedict, Brimsek, Broda, Durnan, Parent, Vezina, Tony O. Maybe one or two others I’m forgetting (writing this down right before I fall asleep...).

Belfour comes in right around 15 for me. If Hank has a handful of top notch seasons left in him, I can see him getting that high.

Certainly fair. You and I could get into a debate were Tretiak belongs. He could be 1 for me. Ditto for Broduer. To me, Henke was and is better. Broduer was phenomenal but the team structure in front of him certainly did not hurt.

 

[Vitto79]

So would Hank waive and would a team take him at 50 off?

 

[kovazub94]

I’m not surprised with Hank’s early season success. Similar to last year and a general trait of aging superstars in the NHL who tend to do well from start of the season through around Christmas, just to start falling off significantly in the second half of the season.

What’s interesting about this year is how lighter workload could benefit Lundqvist over the whole season and how it impacts his mindset for this season and the next.

Even if someone was over hopeful with influx of the new talent and natural “internal” improvements, the best this team can hope for is staying long enough in the playoff race with a reeeeeeally outside chance of making it to be eliminated in the first round.

The point is what’s on the King’s mind and how clearly he sees the writing on a wall about his NY Rangers career with youngsters coming on strong on his heels, while his personal career can still successfully continue whether on the SC quest or going back to Sweden to win again with his brother.

 

[Leetch3]

And McDonagh got us Howden. Let's not forget that.

and also your BFF nils and newest stalking victim Karl

 

[Chimpradamus]

Ok, I hope no Ranger fan EVER says the rebuild is complete:

Yeah, FUN. If you're not a Rangers fan.

So why do we win games? Goaltending. As basically always.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

and also your BFF nils and newest stalking victim Karl

My Swedish kids haha

 

[Luger]

Lundqvist is 45th in GAA and 29th in SV. He's not passing the eye test either. He's not a starting goalie anymore. At this age, Richter already retired. So did Vanbiesbrouck. Healy was a backup goalie for a long time. Roy and Fuhr retired before turning 38. Hasek and Brodeur kept playing, but both were superior goalies to Lundqvist in their prime and played on more defense-minded teams that allowed for less abuse. If possible, the Rangers should offer him $8,500,000 to be a goalie coach or the team spokesman. Time for the Russian Duo to show what they are worth.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Lundqvist is 45th in GAA and 29th in SV. He's not passing the eye test either. He's not a starting goalie anymore. At this age, Richter already retired. So did Vanbiesbrouck. Healy was a backup goalie for a long time. Roy and Fuhr retired before turning 38. Hasek and Brodeur kept playing, but both were superior goalies to Lundqvist in their prime and played on more defense-minded teams that allowed for less abuse. If possible, the Rangers should offer him $8,500,000 to be a goalie coach or the team spokesman. Time for the Russian Duo to show what they are worth.

 

[Nickmo82]

Two games ago, he was in his prime again. Now he needs to be the highest paid TV analyst in human history. What a fickle place this is.

 

[Siddi]

Lundqvist is 45th in GAA and 29th in SV. He's not passing the eye test either. He's not a starting goalie anymore. At this age, Richter already retired. So did Vanbiesbrouck. Healy was a backup goalie for a long time. Roy and Fuhr retired before turning 38. Hasek and Brodeur kept playing, but both were superior goalies to Lundqvist in their prime and played on more defense-minded teams that allowed for less abuse. If possible, the Rangers should offer him $8,500,000 to be a goalie coach or the team spokesman. Time for the Russian Duo to show what they are worth.

Ok.

 

[haohmaru]

Lundqvist is 45th in GAA and 29th in SV. He's not passing the eye test either. He's not a starting goalie anymore. At this age, Richter already retired. So did Vanbiesbrouck. Healy was a backup goalie for a long time. Roy and Fuhr retired before turning 38. Hasek and Brodeur kept playing, but both were superior goalies to Lundqvist in their prime and played on more defense-minded teams that allowed for less abuse. If possible, the Rangers should offer him $8,500,000 to be a goalie coach or the team spokesman. Time for the Russian Duo to show what they are worth.

And, yet, somehow Lundqvist has a higher Save % than the Russian you seem to think is so much better than he is.

Maybe, just maybe, Ruff and his crappy D coaching are the problem? Hmmmm?

 

[Luger]

And, yet, somehow Lundqvist has a higher Save % than the Russian you seem to think is so much better than he is.

Maybe, just maybe, Ruff and his crappy D coaching are the problem? Hmmmm?

One is going down, one is hopefully going up. He's turning 38 this season. That's a great career, but time to move on.

"Two games ago, he was in his prime again. Now he needs to be the highest paid TV analyst in human history. What a fickle place this is."

Did I say that? How am I responsible for other people who may still hold the opinion he's prime now? Do you think everyone other than you is the same person and responsible for all posts that are not yours?

 

[Chimpradamus]

Lundqvist is 45th in GAA and 29th in SV. He's not passing the eye test either. He's not a starting goalie anymore. At this age, Richter already retired. So did Vanbiesbrouck. Healy was a backup goalie for a long time. Roy and Fuhr retired before turning 38. Hasek and Brodeur kept playing, but both were superior goalies to Lundqvist in their prime and played on more defense-minded teams that allowed for less abuse. If possible, the Rangers should offer him $8,500,000 to be a goalie coach or the team spokesman. Time for the Russian Duo to show what they are worth.

Don, or should I say mr. Cherry, you shouldn't post here just because you have alot of spare time since you lost your job.

 

[True Blue]

Lundqvist is 45th in GAA and 29th in SV. He's not passing the eye test either. He's not a starting goalie anymore. At this age, Richter already retired. So did Vanbiesbrouck. Healy was a backup goalie for a long time. Roy and Fuhr retired before turning 38. Hasek and Brodeur kept playing, but both were superior goalies to Lundqvist in their prime and played on more defense-minded teams that allowed for less abuse. If possible, the Rangers should offer him $8,500,000 to be a goalie coach or the team spokesman. Time for the Russian Duo to show what they are worth.

Ahh.....again I say hello there hot take. You have been missing since last night.

 

[Nickmo82]

One is going down, one is hopefully going up. He's turning 38 this season. That's a great career, but time to move on.

"Two games ago, he was in his prime again. Now he needs to be the highest paid TV analyst in human history. What a fickle place this is."

Did I say that? How am I responsible for other people who may still hold the opinion he's prime now? Do you think everyone other than you is the same person and responsible for all posts that are not yours?

Obviously.