GDT: Hawks vs Boredom: 7:30PM Central on NBCSCHI--Corey "Colander" Crawford Edition

[BobbyJet]

Yeah Hayden was taking some shots for a while there before he landed that bomb. Broke his face. I hope he gets into it with reaves someday. When you are up 8-1 or whatever it was the timing isn't right.

No. Hayden is a player, not a goon. That fight should be a warning to other NHLers that he is here to stay and they'd better keep their head up when he's on the ice.

 

[JaegerDice]

No. Hayden is a player, not a goon. That fight should be a warning to other NHLers that he is here to stay and they'd better keep their head up when he's on the ice.

I mean, maybe a warning to keep their hands up if they get into a fight with him... not much to garner from a fight as far as play on the ice. He's actually not super physical shift-to-shift.

Nothing from that fight or his history suggests he's going to go Scott Stevens if you cut up the middle of the ice.

 

[clydesdale line]

Hayden has too much skill to be fighting game to game. Leave that to the Boumas, Tootoos etc of the world.

 

[BobbyJet]

I mean, maybe a warning to keep their hands up if they get into a fight with him... not much to garner from a fight as far as play on the ice. He's actually not super physical shift-to-shift.

Nothing from that fight or his history suggests he's going to go Scott Stevens if you cut up the middle of the ice.

Actually, Hayden finishes his checks, physically. He throws some punishing but clean hits and is the reason Foligno went after him.

 

[JaegerDice]

Actually, Hayden finishes his checks, physically. He throws some punishing but clean hits and is the reason Foligno went after him, actually.

Nah.

To my eye, he finishes his checks roughly as much as the average NHL player.

Statistically, his hits per shift is skewed by ice time and role, obviously. He's currently atop the league as far as hits/60 with noted bangers Nemistnikov and TJ Oshie close behind, among others. Though that will obviously even out over time as those guys spend more TOI with the puck over the course of 82.

Nobody is keeping their head on a swivel when he's on the ice for fear of being crushed, and that's not going to change just because he landed a good punch in a fight, a context which has zero overlap with actual hockey play.

I like Hayden. He's developing well. But punching a guy out is only going to put concern or trepidation into guys who opt to drop the gloves with him. It's not going to make anybody tentative to go into a corner to get the puck when he's nearby, because nobody is worried about getting a haymaker to the face in that context. What WOULD make players concerned to go into the corner with him is consistently and repeatedly going into the corners and coming out with the puck... which I absolutely hope he shows he can do, because that would make him a very useful player to have on any line.

 

[hawksrule]

Hayden has too much skill to be fighting game to game. Leave that to the Boumas, Tootoos etc of the world.

Exactly. I swear some people would be happier if we sent out 20 John Scotts.

 

[JaegerDice]

Exactly. I swear some people would be happier if we sent out 20 John Scotts.

I mean, some people legitimately WOULD be.

 

[LDF]

Yeah Hayden was taking some shots for a while there before he landed that bomb. Broke his face. I hope he gets into it with reaves someday. When you are up 8-1 or whatever it was the timing isn't right.

for me, i am glad he can show everyone that he is capable of defending him and possibly stop any BS on the ice, by the other teams. however he can be more valuable on the ice and continue to make a name for himself.

 

[Crow]

No. Hayden is a player, not a goon. That fight should be a warning to other NHLers that he is here to stay and they'd better keep their head up when he's on the ice.

I didn't mean to imply hayden was a goon. I imagine it would be reaves picking the fight with him as it was in the last case. I just want to see reaves get some comeuppance for his goonish behavior.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Nah.

To my eye, he finishes his checks roughly as much as the average NHL player.

Statistically, his hits per shift is skewed by ice time and role, obviously. He's currently atop the league as far as hits/60 with noted bangers Nemistnikov and TJ Oshie close behind, among others. Though that will obviously even out over time as those guys spend more TOI with the puck over the course of 82.

Nobody is keeping their head on a swivel when he's on the ice for fear of being crushed, and that's not going to change just because he landed a good punch in a fight, a context which has zero overlap with actual hockey play.

I like Hayden. He's developing well. But punching a guy out is only going to put concern or trepidation into guys who opt to drop the gloves with him. It's not going to make anybody tentative to go into a corner to get the puck when he's nearby, because nobody is worried about getting a haymaker to the face in that context. What WOULD make players concerned to go into the corner with him is consistently and repeatedly going into the corners and coming out with the puck... which I absolutely hope he shows he can do, because that would make him a very useful player to have on any line.

If you don't think Hayden plays a physical game I legitimately have no idea what the hell you're watching.

 

[TorMenT]

If you don't think Hayden plays a physical game I legitimately have no idea what the hell you're watching.

He's admitted he hasn't been watching out of superstition because he didn't watch the first two, although I'm not sure if that's changed the last couple games because I haven't been following closely with Cubs games going simultaneously.

 

[BK]

Nah.

To my eye, he finishes his checks roughly as much as the average NHL player.

Statistically, his hits per shift is skewed by ice time and role, obviously. He's currently atop the league as far as hits/60 with noted bangers Nemistnikov and TJ Oshie close behind, among others. Though that will obviously even out over time as those guys spend more TOI with the puck over the course of 82.

Nobody is keeping their head on a swivel when he's on the ice for fear of being crushed, and that's not going to change just because he landed a good punch in a fight, a context which has zero overlap with actual hockey play.

I like Hayden. He's developing well. But punching a guy out is only going to put concern or trepidation into guys who opt to drop the gloves with him. It's not going to make anybody tentative to go into a corner to get the puck when he's nearby, because nobody is worried about getting a haymaker to the face in that context. What WOULD make players concerned to go into the corner with him is consistently and repeatedly going into the corners and coming out with the puck... which I absolutely hope he shows he can do, because that would make him a very useful player to have on any line.

Are you just arguing to argue at this point? Stats and eye-test show Hayden is a physical player. For some reason, you are imply that being physical is a negative. Stop trying to be a contrarian just to be one.

 

[BK]

I mean, some people legitimately WOULD be.

Literally no one would be happy with that.

 

[JaegerDice]

He's admitted he hasn't been watching out of superstition because he didn't watch the first two, although I'm not sure if that's changed the last couple games because I haven't been following closely with Cubs games going simultaneously.

That was just the first period of each game for the first 3 games.

If you don't think Hayden plays a physical game I legitimately have no idea what the hell you're watching.

He's the most physical player on this team, yes.

People are talking like the guy is Scott Stevens and players are keeping tabs when he's on the ice or something.

And certainly no player is any more inclined to 'keep their head up' than usual when Hayden is around during the run of play, simply because he punched a guy in the face in a fight.

I'm not discounting his physicality, I'm just saying it doesn't leap off the screen at me compared to lots of bigger guys that finish their checks, and more over, it's not the part of Hayden's game that makes him valuable or impressive to me (or to the team, I would hope).

Literally no one would be happy with that.

Ok fine, maybe not 20 John Scotts.

20 Tom Wilsons, then.

 

[BrianE]

Hayden broke Foligno's cheekbone in the fight so something good came of this game.

Wow, didn't know that, seemed like he hit him partially in the helmet on one of those shots.

Any videos of that?

Never mind. Found this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...layer-with-vicious-haymaker-during-fight/amp/

Wow, thanks Crow. Looks like we may have a replacement for Tootoo.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

That was just the first period of each game for the first 3 games.



He's the most physical player on this team, yes.

People are talking like the guy is Scott Stevens and players are keeping tabs when he's on the ice or something.

And certainly no player is any more inclined to 'keep their head up' than usual when Hayden is around during the run of play, simply because he punched a guy in the face in a fight.

I'm not discounting his physicality, I'm just saying it doesn't leap off the screen at me compared to lots of bigger guys that finish their checks, and more over, it's not the part of Hayden's game that makes him valuable or impressive to me (or to the team, I would hope).



Ok fine, maybe not 20 John Scotts.

20 Tom Wilsons, then.

You compared him to Osihe physically. That's beyond laughable. Scott Stevens wouldn't be allowed to be Scott Stevens in today's game. It doesn't mean you should dismiss Hayden's physical game out of hand.