Rumor: Hawks looking for a winger to play with Toews
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but if sb dip into getting a contract/player at the tdl, they, the hawks have no choice.
nice find.
Blackhawkswincup
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That's what I would do, and the sooner the better.
I like Iggy but I don't think he fits what the Hawks need at this point - certainly not at that cap hit.
Vrbata, Vanek, Sharp, Jagr etc yes.
Hawks need to get the most bang they can for the buck.
migi
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In fantasy world, because that is where I am living, I would trade Schmaltz, one of Pokka or Gustafsson, 2nd 2017 and 1st 2018 for 50% retained James van Riemsdyk. In this fantasy scenario Hawks signs Tkachyov for ELC which makes Schmaltz expendable.
Blackhawks can add his cap hit this and next season. JVR could play either Toews or Kane.
Blackhawks can add his cap hit this and next season. JVR could play either Toews or Kane.
projexns
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If you look at Friedman's 30 thoughts they are often sourced information although for obvious reasons he cannot name names much of the time.
Item #1 of his 30 thoughts is just his opinion without any sources and I wouldn't put much stock into it. I don't blame him, it is very difficult to follow the deeper nuances of all 30 teams in the NHL.
Item #2 however is an example of what he does well. We have specifics regarding Forsling's bonuses. This is good information.
'Hawks fans who follow this one team closely can probably better intrepret the information than a person trying to keep tabs on an entire league.
We've done the math on the salary-cap. We know it's the core plus cheap contracts and we can't afford a salary like Kruger next year. We know it's going to be very, very tight against the cap because of the bonuses, and it's been discussed that every few hundred thousand of bonuses that we can apply to this year's cap will be precious cap-space needed for next season.
Motte's demotion today is a step towards not spending $$$ unnecessarily. Every dollar counts.
The next shoe to drop IMO is Forsling heading to Rockford. It makes sense from a hockey standpoint since we have 7 healthy d-men on the big club and he should be getting as much ice-time as possible in the AHL.
Thanks to Friedman's article, we can also see the financial benefits coupled with the hockey side. There's no point in adding bonuses to the cap-hit based on games played by Forsling.
Unfortunately this piece is going to lead to National Enquirer-esque gossip on the main boards, proposing players who can't fit under the cap and even have contracts running into next year. Blech.....
Item #1 of his 30 thoughts is just his opinion without any sources and I wouldn't put much stock into it. I don't blame him, it is very difficult to follow the deeper nuances of all 30 teams in the NHL.
Item #2 however is an example of what he does well. We have specifics regarding Forsling's bonuses. This is good information.
'Hawks fans who follow this one team closely can probably better intrepret the information than a person trying to keep tabs on an entire league.
We've done the math on the salary-cap. We know it's the core plus cheap contracts and we can't afford a salary like Kruger next year. We know it's going to be very, very tight against the cap because of the bonuses, and it's been discussed that every few hundred thousand of bonuses that we can apply to this year's cap will be precious cap-space needed for next season.
Motte's demotion today is a step towards not spending $$$ unnecessarily. Every dollar counts.
The next shoe to drop IMO is Forsling heading to Rockford. It makes sense from a hockey standpoint since we have 7 healthy d-men on the big club and he should be getting as much ice-time as possible in the AHL.
Thanks to Friedman's article, we can also see the financial benefits coupled with the hockey side. There's no point in adding bonuses to the cap-hit based on games played by Forsling.
Unfortunately this piece is going to lead to National Enquirer-esque gossip on the main boards, proposing players who can't fit under the cap and even have contracts running into next year. Blech.....
I just don't think this team is good enough to warrant giving up something significant for a rental.
BK
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If we give up someone of substance I would much rather get a JVR type player but you would think that would cost the Hawks a Forsling/Schmaltz type and a high pick.
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Venthon
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That's kinda my issue as well. At some point or another we're going to NEED some of our 1st rounders to step in and play impactful minutes. If we jettison Schmaltz and our next first we're just further gutting the system.
We COULD do it, I just don't think it's a good idea. Roll with what we have, get healthy, and see what happens.
BK
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What would a player like Tomas Tatar cost? Maybe add Vanek as well as a pp specialist (perfect for the slot role).
migi
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Sarava
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I agree with you, but I'm starting to think they are taking the crash and burn approach towards this. What i mean is, just go all out in every way possible, with zero regard towards the future - and doing this all with the knowledge that in 2-5 years this thing is going to completely bottom out. The obvious hope would be to snag 1 more Cup win before this team/dynasty has run it's course.
i agree with most of what you post. i do think that, imho the hawks will go for 1 more cup. then to do a major rebuild.
i however believe that the hawks do not have the horses to do it, esp in the finals. do i think they will make the playoff, ha yeah, not too many do not. however can anyone see this team in a realistic eyes and opinions, and see that this team can make that sc run??
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Blackhawkswincup
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Pokka + Baun for Vanek (Salary retained to fit Hawks cap)
Vanek-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Vanek-Toews-Hossa
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Blackhawkswincup
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He would be better option on 1st line then Panik , Hartman , Hinostorza's , etc would he not?
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Toews has to play better with Toews before any winger helps him back to "normal"....or Keith and Seabrook have to play better with Toews before any winger helps Toews...adding a winger for asset cost...especialky draft picks ..will cripple us in future..We went tge all in route last season...fail! Toews also failed in playoffs.so that did not help him....but we gave up picks ..hurts us to go all in amd fail so miserable because our stars refuse to star ..thay is the problem. YES depth is fine ...but no winger who will Not play on the PP ..can score mich or help Toews much on 5x5 if Keith and Seabrook do not pkay better 5x5 or if Toews himself does nit play better 5x5..(unless of course that winger was Saad who does not get many PP points for CBJ but is so dominating 5x5..there bis only 1 Saad in the league ...nobody else does that /scores much without pp production padding his stats ..And so there is no magic solution and at a cost of firstborn 2nd in a deal for some rental? NO WAY! NOW instead add Shalunov for no assets given up..you can do that ...Maybe John Hayden before seadon ends too..again no a sets given up to add them..They could play in playoffs since draftees we still have rights to .
Could even add college free agent never drafted guys but they might only help for some final games of the regular season ...cannot play in playoffs..But still if they are the difference to win last few games to get crucial points if we have slid to a bubbleteam by then...you do it...even for last 6-7:games or so ..BUT the point is do.not trade pivks. ..we have to re-stock the system to pipeline our future depth solutions ..The rental stuff ...Maybe you try once ..butvwevhacecalrasy tapoedvitv2 straight time and depleted our draft stock. .Now we just gotta stay the course .If the window looks sjakey ...whose fault visit when big 0aid stats under-produce? THE blame is mostly on the "stard" themselves not delivering as before..not because they had no talent to help them ...Look ...take last afternoon..the PAK orcAK72 linevas some call it had everyone playing for the line. ..yet all we got was 1a by Panarin...Everyone had no missing help...but do you think that Tarasenko for STL got 9ff 9 shot stand scored 2 goals because his wingwrsxwerecso great? NO WAY ! As a star ,HE decidedvth8scwas acgame he would show up and star in.. So adding another winger is fine but far less important than our 38 sting /stars" just showing up and starring like they are supposed to.. Giving up any more picks for va short window fix via rental 8s delusionalforvthe Now AND costly to thevfuture..Rather just give Toews Kane Seabrook and Keith a big kick in the but t to get themselvescstarringvdorca change ..That is far more important than adding another rental fix hope that assuredly is doomed to fail and costs us the future
M
Could even add college free agent never drafted guys but they might only help for some final games of the regular season ...cannot play in playoffs..But still if they are the difference to win last few games to get crucial points if we have slid to a bubbleteam by then...you do it...even for last 6-7:games or so ..BUT the point is do.not trade pivks. ..we have to re-stock the system to pipeline our future depth solutions ..The rental stuff ...Maybe you try once ..butvwevhacecalrasy tapoedvitv2 straight time and depleted our draft stock. .Now we just gotta stay the course .If the window looks sjakey ...whose fault visit when big 0aid stats under-produce? THE blame is mostly on the "stard" themselves not delivering as before..not because they had no talent to help them ...Look ...take last afternoon..the PAK orcAK72 linevas some call it had everyone playing for the line. ..yet all we got was 1a by Panarin...Everyone had no missing help...but do you think that Tarasenko for STL got 9ff 9 shot stand scored 2 goals because his wingwrsxwerecso great? NO WAY ! As a star ,HE decidedvth8scwas acgame he would show up and star in.. So adding another winger is fine but far less important than our 38 sting /stars" just showing up and starring like they are supposed to.. Giving up any more picks for va short window fix via rental 8s delusionalforvthe Now AND costly to thevfuture..Rather just give Toews Kane Seabrook and Keith a big kick in the but t to get themselvescstarringvdorca change ..That is far more important than adding another rental fix hope that assuredly is doomed to fail and costs us the future
M
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
You are correct. Vanek is not fast enough to play at a top 6 level at this point but he would be fine as a PP specialist/bum slayer.
Blackhawkswincup
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Slow worked with Handzus in top 6 role for one run
No reason Vanek who at this point is still a quality NHL player cant produce
I would rather have a slow productive player like Vanek then Hartman on 1st line and spend weeks waiting for Hartman to produce anything offensively
The Hawks are not going to get an ideal top 6 talent with our minimal cap space and our rather weak prospect pool
Its reality that guys with flaws like Vanek or Vrbata will have to be targets
Venthon
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Re: the first bold, I don't think expecting or hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again is a good strategy/idea.
Re: the second, I think everyone agrees on that part. Any realistic options are gonna have some warts. JVR, Jagr, Vrbata would all be better options than Vanek though. I'm hoping against Iginla as well.
That said, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong and see another banner if the trigger is pulled on anyone.
Please no Iginla. He's terrible now.
Although I guess every time the Hawks win a Cup it seems like they added some old Cupless guy at the deadline.
But still. No.
Although I guess every time the Hawks win a Cup it seems like they added some old Cupless guy at the deadline.
But still. No.
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