Hanifin vs. Chychrun

[Mandar]

I see these names being thrown around constantly (cant fathom how Hanifin moves the needle at all for us). Looking to see where everyone stands for a preference....and why you feel that way.

Yes, I know it would take a different package for each.....just wanting to gauge the preference for our blueline, knowing it would sting based on the assets it would take to acquire either one.

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[Raspewtin]

Chychrun and it's not even close

Hanifin got overrated super quickly. He's a slightly better Brady Skjei who we all despised.

 

[Kupo]

C). Neither

 

[Guyute]

Chychrun would be a good partner for Fox IMO, but I'd take either. We need another LD. Gus is great going one way and unreliable going the other, and Lindgren can't stay healthy.

Chychrun also has $4.6 million cap hit for another year, which buys us more time to decide which of Trouba, Miller, Lindgren, or Schneider to move. Obviously, I'd prefer keeping Miller and Schneider but IDK what Drury thinks.

 

[Lua]

I think the question is 'which Mikkola-type dman out there on a bottom feeder will be the most tolerable'

 

[Taluss]

Considering Jeff is 57 atm I have a bit of concern for his speed on the ice.

I'd be more interested with acquiring his son Jakob though. I think he's better than Hanifin, good contract and can play both sides. However injury concern is real with him. Off top of my head he's probably played less games than Lindgren the past few years

 

[mas0764]

It's Jakob but he's the better player for us.

The question is cost.

 

[McRanger92]

Who is the better defender of the 2? I know both can put up points. Chychrun is a better fit due to age and an extra year on the contract. If you can get him for a 1st +Berard+Robertson/Jones, im in but anything more than that and i'll pass. Maybe Sens throw in tarasenko

 

[NYR Viper]

Has anyone seen how many games, on average, Chychrun misses? Do we think that gets better with age?
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		Scoring			Goals	Assists	Shots
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PPG	SHG	GWG	EV	PP	SH	SOG	SPCT	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2016-17	18	ARI	NHL	68	7	13	20	-14	47	6	1	0	0	12	1	0	86	8.1	197	1133	16:40	0	0		99	109	12	45
2017-18	19	ARI	NHL	50	4	10	14	2	16	2	2	0	1	8	2	0	102	3.9	235	1013	20:15	0	0		72	74	19	27
2018-19	20	ARI	NHL	53	5	15	20	-12	28	2	3	0	0	10	5	0	117	4.3	255	1074	20:15	0	0		77	74	20	38
2019-20	21	ARI	NHL	63	12	14	26	4	38	7	5	0	2	11	3	0	149	8.1	309	1413	22:26	0	0		95	75	27	52
2020-21	22	ARI	NHL	56	18	23	41	-6	42	13	5	0	3	14	9	0	176	10.2	355	1310	23:23	0	0		89	59	20	36	AS-10,Norris-10
2021-22	23	ARI	NHL	47	7	14	21	-20	47	6	1	0	2	14	0	0	141	5.0	293	1081	23:00	0	0		66	51	19	37
2022-23	24	TOT	NHL	48	9	24	33	7	30	5	4	0	0	20	4	0	144	6.3	281	1090	22:42	0	0		83	55	18	46
2022-23	24	ARI	NHL	36	7	21	28	8	22	3	4	0	0	18	3	0	114	6.1	226	838	23:16	0	0		56	43	13	34
2022-23	24	OTT	NHL	12	2	3	5	-1	8	2	0	0	0	2	1	0	30	6.7	55	252	21:00	0	0		27	12	5	12
2023-24	25	OTT	NHL	51	9	21	30	-13	40	5	4	0	0	13	8	0	122	7.4	291	1159	22:44	0	0		86	39	14

 

[McRanger92]

Friedman connecting Hanifin to Tampa but they have nothing to trade. Hanifin wants to sign in the US

 

[eco's bones]

I think we could use another defender for a playoff run but I don't think we need to go the expensive route. Personally I've never been a huge fan of Chychrun. I think he's a bit overrated. I'd leave Hanifin and him for other teams if they want to pay for them. What I'm more interested is a steady bottom pairing type with some size and strength....and not necessarily one that would permanently push out one of our current regulars but okay if he does.....more as insurance if one of our main guys gets banged up or if we're having issues with a bigger and heavier team. What I'm ready to spend for that is a 3rd or a pretty good prospect. I have 0 interest in moving a 1st this year or next for playoff help. I don't think we need to. Depth wise at forward (bottom 6 anyway) I think we have guys we can reach for in Hartford.

 

[GAGLine]

The only time I've seen them play is when they are playing the Rangers, and in those cases, I'm not paying that much attention to them. So, let's look at usage.

Chychrun
EV: 19:52 TOI/G
PP: 2:38
PK: 0:14

I thought the lack of PK time might be based on his usage in other areas, but he has never been a consistent penalty killer during his career. His highest total was 1:30 per game in 2019-20, which was 5th most among dmen on his team that year.

Hanifin
EV: 19:43 TOI/G
PP: 1:43
PK: 2:19

He has the 2nd most TOI/G on the PK, only 19 seconds behind Tanev. His EV usage is about the same as Chychrun's. He doesn't get a lot of PP time, which he won't get with the Rangers either.

23 of Hanifin's 30 points have come at even strength. 18 of Chychrun's 30 points have come at even strength.

Just based on the numbers, I'd give the edge to Hanifin. Chychrun is 1 year younger and has 1 year left on his contract @ 4.6 mil. They are both about the same size. Assuming near equal acquisition costs, I'd say they are pretty close.

The one thing Hanifin has in his favor that Chychrun doesn't, however, is that we don't have to trade for him. We could wait until the offseason and sign him as a free agent.

Of course, there's no guarantee he will sign with us. He could get traded at the deadline and immediately sign an extension with his new team. But if I had to choose a path, signing Hanifin as a UFA would be my option hands down. Chychrun is going to get paid a year from now and could potentially get more than Hanifin will this summer, so the cap savings won't last long.

If Goodrow somehow goes the other way as part of a trade, that could change the equation, but I can't see either team wanting him, or him being willing to waive his NTC for either team.

 

[eco's bones]

Friedman connecting Hanifin to Tampa but they have nothing to trade. Hanifin wants to sign in the US

They have Isaac Howard and that's about it. Maybe a 1st rounder 3 years from now which might be a good deal if Tampa in the next couple seasons takes a nosedive and becomes a bottom feeder.

 

[IchabodCrane]

Neither. Hopefully we get 1-2 tough stay at home guys that are seviceable- mikolla/harpur kind of guys. They cost nothing and can fill in without missing a beat.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Neither this deadline. Id rather go for a 3C and a RW. Long term though Lindgren needs to be out of the top4

 

[NYR Viper]

The only time I've seen them play is when they are playing the Rangers, and in those cases, I'm not paying that much attention to them. So, let's look at usage.

Chychrun
EV: 19:52 TOI/G
PP: 2:38
PK: 0:14

I thought the lack of PK time might be based on his usage in other areas, but he has never been a consistent penalty killer during his career. His highest total was 1:30 per game in 2019-20, which was 5th most among dmen on his team that year.

Hanifin
EV: 19:43 TOI/G
PP: 1:43
PK: 2:19

He has the 2nd most TOI/G on the PK, only 19 seconds behind Tanev. His EV usage is about the same as Chychrun's. He doesn't get a lot of PP time, which he won't get with the Rangers either.

23 of Hanifin's 30 points have come at even strength. 18 of Chychrun's 30 points have come at even strength.

Just based on the numbers, I'd give the edge to Hanifin. Chychrun is 1 year younger and has 1 year left on his contract @ 4.6 mil. They are both about the same size. Assuming near equal acquisition costs, I'd say they are pretty close.

The one thing Hanifin has in his favor that Chychrun doesn't, however, is that we don't have to trade for him. We could wait until the offseason and sign him as a free agent.

Of course, there's no guarantee he will sign with us. He could get traded at the deadline and immediately sign an extension with his new team. But if I had to choose a path, signing Hanifin as a UFA would be my option hands down. Chychrun is going to get paid a year from now and could potentially get more than Hanifin will this summer, so the cap savings won't last long.

If Goodrow somehow goes the other way as part of a trade, that could change the equation, but I can't see either team wanting him, or him being willing to waive his NTC for either team.

You forgot to mention health.


In terms of UFA's this off-season:
Hanifan
Schultz
Demelo
Roy
Dillon
Pesce
Skjei
OEL
Cole
Forsling
Walker
Kylington

There are more than a few guys on this list I'd be okay adding as either top-end pieces or depth pieces.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Hanifin AINEC, our teams biggest problem is we can’t skate

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think the question is 'which Mikkola-type dman out there on a bottom feeder will be the most tolerable'

Edmundson maybe?

 

[UnSandvich]

Edmundson maybe?

lmao no.

Neither. Hopefully we get 1-2 tough stay at home guys that are seviceable- mikolla/harpur kind of guys. They cost nothing and can fill in without missing a beat.

Mikkola was serviceable. Harpur is one of the worst players in the league any time he sets foot on the ice.

 

[bleedblue94]

hanafin for me. great skater and he plays. fox will benefit from a better skater paired with him, especially as his speed continues to diminish more and he relies more and more on his smarts (just head fakes stop working if you cant/dont actually move). you are also signing him at a younger point for the typical ufa deals and the timing is right so that if you lock him for 8 years in a matter of 2 years his deal will almost be a discount as the cap increases.

we need better skaters everywhere. the injury trends with jake just create a no go for me. it isnt a small sample, it has been a career trend. people want to dump lindgren in part bc of injury history catching up and he's been more durable than jake

 

[TheDirtyH]

Hanifin would move the needle on this team imo
Then again, he kind of reminds me of Redden, which makes me throw up a little. So idc, what's Nick Jensen doing on the caps?

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

I don't understand all the love for Jeff Chychrun in the poll.

Dude retired like 30 years ago.

LOL

 

[DanielBrassard]

Chychrun, although both are similar in terms of production. Extra year of term at 4.6 is nice. Hanifin has been more relied upon in tougher situations. Both are high end skaters, Chychrun has more upside offensively, better shot. Neither are elite puckmovers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chychrun because of the extra year+being better. Durability is an issue though.

The "LOLZ RANGERZ CAN'T SKATE" meme kind of needs to die. They're above average but the only really above average guys they have on D in that area are Miller and Schneider.

Either over Cheeks Lindgren would be a significant upgrade.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Chychrun because half of this board refuses to learn how to spell Hanifin’s name correctly