Guy Boucher to join Habs staff?

[Leon Lucius Black]

The only way Boucher comes here is because he gets no other offer and if he doesn't, what does that say?

Or he could come here knowing Therrien is on a short leash and given we have a roster with guys like Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher etc. he could have a good opportunity to be head coach of a team in the near future that has a solid core to build around.

 

[Chez Weber]

Is he that much of a tactician, or was it St. Louis feeding Stamkos for one-timers?

For the record, I'm all for it.

Well Habs powerplay would just be feeding Galchenyuk and Subban a bunch of one-timers, something JJD and Lacroix failed

 

[Guilliam]

For the last two days, Ron Fournier has been talking about a "guy with a tie" (meaning not a player) who's coming to the organization to help with leadership among other things. It sounds like he's talking about Boucher. It's probably Sanscartier who told him though so I'm not sure it really makes it more likely to happen.

 

[Sorinth]

Maybe, maybe not. Most people felt Ramsay was a good hire to help the PP. Does anybody think any of his input was implemented? Was there any evidence of Ramsay's contribution on the ice this season? And he was the only one canned.

First, I can't imagine anybody with intellect getting hired into the organization at this point. The only plausible reason I can see for MT being kept on is that MB knows that MT is so dim as to not challenge his (MB's) thinking and inadequacies as GM. We know that MT loves unskilled grinders and that's all MB can get, so, ..... MT will never complain about his incompetent GM never being able to provide the skill he needs to implement a complex system.

If they brought somebody in that actually thought about things, that would disrupt the dynamic. We've all seen how defensive MB gets when challenged at his pressers. I can't imagine him bringing in somebody who might actually present a challenge on a more personal level. MB's safety lies in keeping people that are more incompetent and simplistic in their thought processes than he is and who will continue to support him. I cannot fathom any other reason for the management decisions since Dec of 2015.

Fair enough but then it's pointless to hire him.

You don't hire a coach to be the assistant to a guy you have on a short leash thinking he'll take over if the first guy fails. It's just a terrible situation for people to be in, so there's no reason to think that's what Bergevin is thinking (If this rumour is even true).

So then it comes to thinking Boucher can help as an assistant. Either it's yes, the team does better and Therrien's job is safe, or it's no in which case you probably fire the whole staff, or do nothing because somehow that's an option in Bergevin's mind. If it's the latter then Bergevin probably gets canned, and the whole coaching staff so if you want Boucher as HC, this move probably wouldn't help.

Best case is Sly gets promoted, Boucher takes over the farm team, and after the firing Boucher gets promoted.

But like you I don't think they want a guy who thinks outside the box like Boucher, they seem to prefer yes men.

 

[smcgreg]

Fair enough but then it's pointless to hire him.

You don't hire a coach to be the assistant to a guy you have on a short leash thinking he'll take over if the first guy fails. It's just a terrible situation for people to be in, so there's no reason to think that's what Bergevin is thinking (If this rumour is even true).

So then it comes to thinking Boucher can help as an assistant. Either it's yes, the team does better and Therrien's job is safe, or it's no in which case you probably fire the whole staff, or do nothing because somehow that's an option in Bergevin's mind. If it's the latter then Bergevin probably gets canned, and the whole coaching staff so if you want Boucher as HC, this move probably wouldn't help.

Best case is Sly gets promoted, Boucher takes over the farm team, and after the firing Boucher gets promoted.

But like you I don't think they want a guy who thinks outside the box like Boucher, they seem to prefer yes men.

Or they prefer a fall guy who isn't in the club. "Look,.. we hired Ramsay and our PP wasn't any better, so, we fired him." Then, next season, "Look, ... we hired Boucher and our PP wasn't any better, so, we fired him." Nobody mentions that the outsider was brought in as the fall guy and never had any contribution anyway.

I'm with you. I don't see the point in hiring the guy, because clearly, MB buys into what MT is selling. So, why hire Boucher unless he's just there to take the fall down the road. "No excuses".

I gotta stop typing, because I just get m?re and more pissed the more I type. The second half of this season has convinced me that MB needs to go just as much as MT does. In fact, MT will go nowhere until MB does... foxhole buddies.

 

[OldCraig71]

Or he could come here knowing Therrien is on a short leash and given we have a roster with guys like Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher etc. he could have a good opportunity to be head coach of a team in the near future that has a solid core to build around.

So why not fire Therrien and just give Boucher the head coaching job? I just don't see Therrien coexisting with Boucher unless he is on a very very short leash and I doubt it.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

For the last two days, Ron Fournier has been talking about a "guy with a tie" (meaning not a player) who's coming to the organization to help with leadership among other things. It sounds like he's talking about Boucher. It's probably Sanscartier who told him though so I'm not sure it really makes it more likely to happen.

OMG... isn't that Carbonneau?? Remember the lucky tie?

The AC have been promoting him lately and Carbo is a powerplay specialist.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

My bad. I thought that was Boucher's first year. I take it back then.

Hey no biggy, I did the same mistake until I checked it out myself. But the other poster is also right in that Stamkos went from 51 goals before Boucher to 60 goals under Boucher, but his point total didn't move though.

 

[DangerDave]

I don't think Carbo is head coach material but I think he'd be a pretty decent assistant. The habs special teams were great during his tenure. Boucher, Muller and Carbo would be a pretty good coaching staff I think.

 

[General Fanager]

I would be surprised if MT allowed Boucher anywhere near his team

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I would be surprised if MT allowed Boucher anywhere near his team

Gerard Gallant was head coach in Columbus and won back to back titles in the Q before coming here, having a good assistant would help make him look better (especially if he could get the PP working) so why wouldn't he want Boucher?

I still think we'll see Lacroix moved into a role similar to what Ramsay was and a new assistant brought in, hopefully Boucher.

 

[Guilliam]

OMG... isn't that Carbonneau?? Remember the lucky tie?

The AC have been promoting him lately and Carbo is a powerplay specialist.

I guess it could be but I hope not. He was hinting that the guy would be there to play the role that Gallant and Muller used to play, i.e. a go-to guy for communication with the players. Given Carbo's poor history with regards to communication, it wouldn't make much sense to bring him in in that capacity.

 

[vokiel]

OMG... isn't that Carbonneau?? Remember the lucky tie?

The AC have been promoting him lately and Carbo is a powerplay specialist.

Carbo isn't a specialist of anything, except for face offs.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

I miss muller so much

 

[vokiel]

I miss muller so much

Bof... great assistant coach, nothing to write home about.

 

[headliner]

Therrien is very lucky he still has a job, he shouldnt have any say in it.

I'm glad I read the thread this far….I was about to post the same thing.

Sure hope that's what happens…..

 

[General Fanager]

Gerard Gallant was head coach in Columbus and won back to back titles in the Q before coming here, having a good assistant would help make him look better (especially if he could get the PP working) so why wouldn't he want Boucher?

I still think we'll see Lacroix moved into a role similar to what Ramsay was and a new assistant brought in, hopefully Boucher.

He would know he is on thin ice. No way he would want Boucher already there as his replacement. He will want a guy to help the special teams but with no head coaching experience.

 

[WeThreeKings]

LOL if Carbo joins the staff

Nobody else would ever touch him.

 

[Chez Weber]

The only way Boucher comes here is because he gets no other offer and if he doesn't, what does that say?

Because Boucher's dream is to be the head coach of the Montreal Canadiens not coach of any other of the 29 other teams

 

[NobleSix]

LOL if Carbo joins the staff

Nobody else would ever touch him.

Hmm just like Therrien, JJ, Lacroix, Lefebvre... I'm beginning to see a pattern here

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I guess it could be but I hope not. He was hinting that the guy would be there to play the role that Gallant and Muller used to play, i.e. a go-to guy for communication with the players. Given Carbo's poor history with regards to communication, it wouldn't make much sense to bring him in in that capacity.

Boucher fits that role to a T. And he would also be in charge of the PP which is his forte. Lacroix is already here and is a buddy of Boucher's and Boucher already has other ties to the organization, coached Max, PK and DD (if he's still around), and he can eventually replace Homer Therrien, so IMO he'd be a frontrunner for the job.

LOL at people saying Therrien would refuse to have Boucher as if Bergevin's gonna come in and say, ''hey here's your new assistant, he's gonna replace you the next time you'll ****-up''.

If Therrien wants to stay alive passed next season, he'll need someone like Boucher at his side.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Gerard Gallant was head coach in Columbus and won back to back titles in the Q before coming here, having a good assistant would help make him look better (especially if he could get the PP working) so why wouldn't he want Boucher?

I still think we'll see Lacroix moved into a role similar to what Ramsay was and a new assistant brought in, hopefully Boucher.

He knows Boucher would be a threat to take his job. Therrien becomes a lot easier to fire if his replacement is already on the bench. He worked with Gallant because his job wasn't in jeopardy. (I for one actually wanted Gallant to be the head coach when we hired Therrien fwiw)

 

[Forum93]

LOL if Carbo joins the staff

Nobody else would ever touch him.

Another great communicator -teams in the gutter- head for the bowling alley. Loved him as a player though, a better Plekanec with heart.

 

[OldCraig71]

LOL if Carbo joins the staff

Nobody else would ever touch him.

Much like the guys that we trade for. There is a pattern here.

 

[deandebean]

When Carbo was assistant, powerplay was great. Maybe not his doing though.

Wasn't he assistant to Therrien?!? Tie and leadership. Sounds a lot like Carbo to me, as another poster wrote.