Management Guerin under investigation
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It happened after a team dinner in a team paid for car on the way back to the team hotel. Is that hard to figure out?
You guys keep pretending to be lawyers and keep thinking this is a legal matter. Pittsburgh/Guerin aren't in danger of losing their careers/millions of dollars because of them breaking any laws. The danger is from the "general public" deciding they didn't do the right thing and demanding that people are held accountable for their failures. There isn't going to be a trial where Pittsburgh is either found to be guilty or not. What will happen is Pittsburgh will continue to put out releases that don't really say anything in hopes that the "general public" finds something else to be outraged about. They might even offer the Skalde's a settlement to go away. If that doesn't work then they will start deciding who goes under the bus 1st just like it went down in Chicago.
Except, there are some major differences between what happened in Chicago and what's been reported here. Some are trying to equate the two, and that is why some others are getting so exasperated here.
We get that some of you just want Guerin gone and are willing to hammer him over this, and you're going to be disappointed.
We get that some of you just want Guerin gone and are willing to hammer him over this, and you're going to be disappointed.
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Well for one, the coach was fired less than a week after management found out about it. Two, Donatelli has not coached anywhere since, while the Blackhawks case has allegations of them acting as a reference for Aldrich. Three, Guerin was gone shortly after he found out to a new job (and again, the coach in question was removed from his job within a week of Guerin and management finding out). Four, this thing you and other seem to be hung up on about Guerin telling Skalde to keep it quiet is more standard than you think for all the reasons that have been laid out (defamation, lawsuits, etc). Five, Skalde claims he was in fear of losing his job but nowhere says why he felt that way. No allegations of intimidation or bullying as happened in Chicago. So it sure seems like this fear was of his own design, how can that be blamed on Guerin? Six, Skalde coaches with the Pittsburgh organization for a full season after his spoke up, yet claims he was fired because he spoke up, not to mention he was interviewed a week after his termination for a job with their ECHL affiliate. Why would they do that if they wanted him gone for saying something about Donatelli?
You don't like Guerin as a GM, fine. But with this, you're looking for what isn't there.
None of that is true. Jobs have limit in their scope, especially those that require travel, and all parties involved likely have a travel waiver that most companies require be signed before employees travel. They basically say normal job function applies when traveling, any time or activities outside of normal job function is entirely your own, you aren't paid for them and we as the employer accept no liability for them.
A social dinner between two co-workers and one of their wives after the conclusion of their job function is not a team dinner. A car that was paid for by the team (which you are assuming, the filing only states Mr Skalde stepped away to arrange a ride suggesting it was more than likely a private ride) doesn't make it a team car. A hotel where the team is renting some rooms does not make it a team facility. The prosecution asserted basically everything you did in the initial filing, the defense had it all dismissed because none of this was a team related matter.
The danger is from the general public making up their mind without knowing a damn thing and jumping to conclusions based on half truths and ignorance. There has been nothing to show that the Penguins or Guerin did anything outside of what was appropriate for this incident. They responded to what was honestly an unsubstantiated claim immediately and with consequence. If more comes out about all of this then I reserve the right to change my opinion, but based on what we have I see no reason to assume guilt, legally or morally, when everything that has been made public suggests that outside of the possible wrongful termination there was no mishandling of the event.
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Do you really think the difference between 3 weeks and 3 days makes any sort of difference in the grand scheme of what happened? You think people look at Chicago differently if they had fired Aldrich after "the meeting" and then covered it all up from that point on?2.
Donatelli not taking another job does nothing to exonerate Pittsburgh. 3.
Guerin leaving does nothing to change his role in that situation. 4.
Covering up a felony sexual assault is never and can never be referred to as "SOP"5. Makes no sense
6. Is a legitimate point
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Except there's no legal obligation for the Penguins to go to the police, and since there was no legal investigation into it (because the Skalde's didn't go to the police at all) that the Penguins hindered in any way, there's no "cover up". They just asked the Skalde's not to leak the reason throughout the organization. Which IS "SOP" and isn't against any kind of laws.
You would have a point here if Guerin and the Penguins threatened some kind of retaliation for the Skalde's going to the police. Which there's been no indication of whatsoever.
Skalde being told not to tell anyone is also just an allegation that Skalde's lawyers are going to have to prove. Which is important to keep in mind. It's not an established fact.
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You need to do a better job of articulating the point you're trying to get across, I'm not sure why you're bringing up Stan Bowman and Joel Quenneville in response to that post.
1. Yes. If you can't see why..that's on you.1.
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5. Makes no sense
6. Is a legitimate point
2. No where did I say it did...read closer.
3. Again...never said it did. But it does change how much he can be involved in a cover up if there was one since he wasn't there much longer.
4. Again...read closer and stop looking at what's not there.
5. For a third time...read closer.
6. Why thank you.
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Now that they settled, wonder if SafeSports will end their investigation soon or if they are going to conduct a thorough investigation outside of this settlement?
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Is the SafeSport investigation into Guerin completely separate from the lawsuit and still unresolved?
I believe it's still unresolved. All I could find on it today was this, which implies it's still ongoing.
Pittsburgh Penguins and Erin and Jarrod Skalde reach resolution
That's what I'm wondering; I think the SafeSports investigation into Guerin is separate from this as the lawsuit was against the Penguins.
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It's separate from the lawsuit, but it will likely end shortly now that there isn't anyone for them to talk to.
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Who are they going to talk to? Certainly not the Skaldes or anyone associated with the Pengiuns since the settlement.
We don't know the case, but didn't a second woman open up a suite against the Pens as well?
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I'm not aware that the second woman opened up a second lawsuit, my understanding that she was going to be a witness for Skalde for their lawsuit. Do you have a source for that?
Another reportedly came forward, but unless she specifically names Guerin, it won't matter.
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