go kim johnsson said:He is off the radio now. I thought I heard him say that the NHL was going to infact allow management to work for the Worlds...
ColoradoHockeyFan said:He made it pretty clear that the PA did not want to give their number for a cap until they had negotiated all of the other issues (arbitration, entry level, qualifying offers, etc.). There was clearly disagreement over these issues that they weren't able to overcome. He also said more than once that the difficulty in all of these other areas was unexpected by himself and Mario... they didn't realize there was such a gap in all of these other areas. Because they couldn't resolve these other issues, the PA did not want to give a cap number, so they never got to it.
go kim johnsson said:I'm actually pretty releived if this is the case. If this is just all about a cap number, I was going to get out of my char and raise hell on whoever is being an ass about this.
ColoradoHockeyFan said:He made it pretty clear that the PA did not want to give their number for a cap until they had negotiated all of the other issues (arbitration, entry level, qualifying offers, etc.). There was clearly disagreement over these issues that they weren't able to overcome. He also said more than once that the difficulty in all of these other areas was unexpected by himself and Mario... they didn't realize there was such a gap in all of these other areas. Because they couldn't resolve these other issues, the PA did not want to give a cap number, so they never got to it.
JoeLH said:From TSN:
"Gretzky also told the paper that the night before the meeting Bettman had told him and Lemieux that even if an agreement was reached, there was no guarantee that a season would be able to be saved."
Seems like he had a meeting or talk with Bettman the evening before saturday's NHL/PA-meeting ...
ColoradoHockeyFan said:He made it pretty clear that the PA did not want to give their number for a cap until they had negotiated all of the other issues (arbitration, entry level, qualifying offers, etc.). There was clearly disagreement over these issues that they weren't able to overcome. He also said more than once that the difficulty in all of these other areas was unexpected by himself and Mario... they didn't realize there was such a gap in all of these other areas. Because they couldn't resolve these other issues, the PA did not want to give a cap number, so they never got to it.
NYFAN said:Interesting..... Bettman said he had dinner late with Wayne and Mario Friday night. Wayne said he missed out on dinner Friday night. Maybe Gary isn't such an honest guy......
tantalum said:I would imagine it would be easier to get those other little wins after agreeing to a cap. Use them as conditions of the cap.
Does it strike anyone as odd that Vincent Damphouse is heading up any sort of negotiation meeting? Pretty much sums up the PA if the players are actually hands on in terms of haggling instead of letting the people who trained to do it and were hired to do it carry out the negotiation. This is not anywhere close to their area of expertise. PArticipate in the talks, give input, understand the issues but any formal negotiation meeting should be run by the guys you hired who should have an intimate understanding and foresight to know what certain changes will bring on the horizon. Especially at that late date.
Thunderstruck said:Exaclty, but anyone who believes that Damphouse wasn't instructed to take this position by Goodenow and Saskin is fooling themselves.
Thunderstruck said:Exaclty, but anyone who believes that Damphouse wasn't instructed to take this position by Goodenow and Saskin is fooling themselves.
mcphee said:On one of Pierre McGuire's Mtl. radio bits, he spoke of his interview with Goodenow some time ago. He asked him why they wouldn't negotiate the non cap issues in the meantime if they couldn't agree on a system. Goodenow flatly told him, no we're not doing it that way this time.
mcphee said:On one of Pierre McGuire's Mtl. radio bits, he spoke of his interview with Goodenow some time ago. He asked him why they wouldn't negotiate the non cap issues in the meantime if they couldn't agree on a system. Goodenow flatly told him, no we're not doing it that way this time.
Riddarn said:Meaning = First focus on winning the pissing contest, then worry about the practicalities. Lovely. Bodes well for future negotiations.
go kim johnsson said:If Damphousse had to be instucted to do that, that once again raises questions about the leadership in the PA.
Larionov said:There will be no future negotiations. This thing is headed for impasse, implementation, and replacements, just as it was from the beginning. Maybe the 'PA comes out of their meeting next week looking for deal, but think it's just as likely they emerge more militant than ever, in which case this thing will get solved the ugly way.