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Granlund vs Shinkaruk

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tantalum said:
So while this heated discussionon granlund has really taken off, somewhere around that 3 point game I think, he has a 3 goals 0 assists in 10 games.

In his last 30 games he has 11 points and was blanked in 23 games. I continue to to fail to see what some others are seeing. He's a 30 point forward getting massive amounts of icetime who contributes very little if it isn't one of the rare games he hits the scoresheet. When he hits the scoresheet he may hit it a couple of times so I know people will say consistency is what he needs. I'd say he is consistent....90% of his points come against teams that are not in a playoff spot right now (and they are all wildcard teams).

I might eat my words but I don't expect this player to rise to the occasion of a stretch drive or playoff race.
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At least his cap hit is cheap - he does have that going for him.
 

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Hit the post said:
At least his cap hit is cheap - he does have that going for him.
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Yeah but he still sucks and wouldnt be on any winning teams third or forth line just not a chance. AHL waver fodder junk
 
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FroshaugFan2 said:
PA Parenteau, Burmistrov, and Puempel have better PPG rates than Granlund since being claimed. So do Andrighetto and Schroeder, who went unclaimed. So does Ribeiro who is on waivers today.

Plus all of these players get less TOI than Granlund.
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1. Shooting percentage is primarily luck-driven

We've gone through this a billion times - a season's worth of shots, whether for a team, while a player's on the ice, or just those taken by an individual player, simply isn't a large enough sample to overcome the role of luck in putting pucks in the net.
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http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2011...re-going-to-understand-just-one-nhl-statistic

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...50&teamid=29&type=goals&sort=PDO&sortdir=DESC
 

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Shudder to think what the reaction would be on these boards if the roles for Shinkaruk and Granlund were currently reversed.

If it was Shinkaruk taking a regular shift in the NHL with Calgary and putting up 12 goals, while Granlund was buried in Utca....they'd be burning Jimbo in effigy.
 

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VanJack said:
Shudder to think what the reaction would be on these boards if the roles for Shinkaruk and Granlund were currently reversed.

If it was Shinkaruk taking a regular shift in the NHL with Calgary and putting up 12 goals, while Granlund was buried in Utca....they'd be burning Jimbo in effigy.
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You are likely correct but that doesn't mean it's unfair.

As has been explained a hundred times in this thread, the two players can't be compared directly. The point that people opposed to the trade have been making is irrespective of their current performances. The philosophy of trading a prospect for the kind of dime-a-dozen player Granlund represents doesn't' suddenly become a good practice if the prospect busts and the Granlund does OK. Having said that, yes, if Shinkaruk were OK and Granlund were in the minors it would make things look even worse.
 
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RJL said:
The philosophy of trading a prospect for the kind of dime-a-dozen player Granlund represents doesn't' suddenly become a good practice if the prospect busts and the Granlund does OK.
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Why is Shinkaruk a prospect, and Granlund is not? He's one year older. It was a prospect for prospect swap.
 
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drax0s said:
Why is Shinkaruk a prospect, and Granlund is not? He's one year older. It was a prospect for prospect swap.
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18 months older.

Drafted 2 years apart meaning 2 extra training camps, prospect camps, off season development, etc for one of them.

One had played 86 NHL games at the trade.
One had played 1 NHL game at the trade.

Guess which one was the prospect and which one was the fringe NHLer?
 

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CanaFan said:
18 months older.

Drafted 2 years apart meaning 2 extra training camps, prospect camps, off season development, etc for one of them.

One had played 86 NHL games at the trade.
One had played 1 NHL game at the trade.

Guess which one was the prospect and which one was the fringe NHLer?
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Still, if Shinkaruk doesn't kill it in the AHL this year and at least get some games in the NHL and prove he can score in the NHL, he's closer to eventually playing in Europe than he is to being a regular in the Flames lineup.
 

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drax0s said:
Why is Shinkaruk a prospect, and Granlund is not? He's one year older. It was a prospect for prospect swap.
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Because Shinkaruk at the time was exempt from waivers, which means we could have just let him develop on the farm and hoped for the best. That's what you do with prospects. Granlund's clock was up. He either needed to play in the NHL or possibly be lost to waivers. He had not earned a roster spot in Calgary. If they couldn't trade him they would have waived him.

Seriously, this is the entire crux of the argument against the trade. If you're going to disagree then at least acknowledge this point that has been made a thousand times already.
 
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VanJack said:
Still, if Shinkaruk doesn't kill it in the AHL this year and at least get some games in the NHL and prove he can score in the NHL, he's closer to eventually playing in Europe than he is to being a regular in the Flames lineup.
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That's fair. He needs to take the step, but he's not at the same point as Granlund so they shouldn't be compared as if they are. This season for Hunter is equivalent to 2 seasons ago for Granlund.
 
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CanaFan said:
18 months older.

Drafted 2 years apart meaning 2 extra training camps, prospect camps, off season development, etc for one of them.

One had played 86 NHL games at the trade.
One had played 1 NHL game at the trade.

Guess which one was the prospect and which one was the fringe NHLer?
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So when Shinkaruk has completed his 5th season in the AHL is he still a prospect and better than a fringe NHL er?
 

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RJL said:
You are likely correct but that doesn't mean it's unfair.

As has been explained a hundred times in this thread, the two players can't be compared directly. The point that people opposed to the trade have been making is irrespective of their current performances. The philosophy of trading a prospect for the kind of dime-a-dozen player Granlund represents doesn't' suddenly become a good practice if the prospect busts and the Granlund does OK. Having said that, yes, if Shinkaruk were OK and Granlund were in the minors it would make things look even worse.
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TIL guys on pace for a 20 goal season are 'dime-a-dozen' in this league.
 
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