Grand Rapids Griffins 17-18

[turkleton85]

Svech's goal was a bullet.
Hronek's was.... woof

nice shot by svech, i wonder if that translates into a good net front presence on the red wings powerplay!

 

[Pavels Dog]

He is scoring points, but he is still having a difficult time playing defense as forwards are going around him like he is not even there. That is his major weakness in his game. Coreau bailed him out on 3 different occasions in tonight's game alone.

How do you explain his +/-? Easy matchups? Luck?

Defensively how would you compare him to for example Sproul, Hicketts?

 

[Leronziia]

How do you explain his +/-? Easy matchups? Luck?

Defensively how would you compare him to for example Sproul, Hicketts?

It is puzzling.

I'm sure as an offensive defenseman, he is sheltered with O-zone starts.

Nonetheless, to end up +20 and improving over the course of a year is no fluke.

 

[raymond23]

Schvechnikov outclassed everyone last night. He could've easily had a hat trick but Comrie played very well.

 

[GrGriffins]

How do you explain his +/-? Easy matchups? Luck?

Defensively how would you compare him to for example Sproul, Hicketts?

Hronek is usually on the top scoring line for the Griffins as of late (Street, Puempel, & Tangradi) and they have been scoring a lot recently. +/- stat means that you are on the ice when your team scores more than goals your team gives up on even strength and on shorthanded situations. Does not mean that you are a great defenseman if you have a high +.

Russo had the best +/- in his first season for the Griffins in the entire AHL with a +41 and was named AHL All-rookie D-man, but he did not win best AHL d-man that season that season. If a lot of you people online base everything on +/-, than Russo, Hronek should not even be playing in the AHL at all and they should be taking regular shifts in the NHL already. But they are still in GR because they have a high + on the +/- stat, does not mean they are great d-men.

Hicketts has a - on his +/- mainly because he goes up against the top forward lines in the AHL on most nights, while Hronek and Russo does not. Big difference. Hicketts is more of a defending d-man and he is not know for his high offense output as Hronek and Russo are. Explains why Detroit called up Hicketts over Hronek and Russo, mainly because Hicketts is a physical player and defends a whole lot better than Hronek and Russo will ever do. Who is Detroit on the d-side is a physical player right now? Kronwall use to be, but not no more. Green will not hit at all. Jensen and Ouellet rarely does, DeKeyser does at times, Ericsson does at times, Dailey does at times.

Sproul best d-man in the OHL for Soo Greyhounds one season (because he had the most points scored by a d-man and had a high +, not because he was a great defending d-man). Scored points here in GR when he was here, but his main problem is that forwards from other teams go around him like a pylon in his own end. Explains why he could not make it in Detroit and with the Rangers. Where is Sproul now? In Hartford in the AHL. Why? Because he can't defend in front of his own net and he is consistently not accurate with his hard shot that he is known for.

Hronek is a great offensive d-man, but in my opinion, he is our worse d-man when it comes to defending in front of his own goal (which is suppose to be the first thing that a d-man is responsible in doing). Which is why he is in GR and not in Detroit right now. Saarijavi plays better defense than Hronek here in GR at the moment, but Hronek is more skilled on the offensive side than Saarijarvi, which is why everyone gets excited every time the Griffins box score shows up and everyone sees Hronek's name plastered all over the place scoring a goal and picking up several assists here and he is a +5 last week in a game, etc. That is fine and good, but watch what he does in the Griffins zone defending wise and you see a much different picture. This is where Hronek needs to greatly improve if he wants a shot in the NHL and stays there for seasons to come.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Hronek is usually on the top scoring line for the Griffins as of late (Street, Puempel, & Tangradi) and they have been scoring a lot recently. +/- stat means that you are on the ice when your team scores more than goals your team gives up on even strength and on shorthanded situations. Does not mean that you are a great defenseman if you have a high +.

Russo had the best +/- in his first season for the Griffins in the entire AHL with a +41 and was named AHL All-rookie D-man, but he did not win best AHL d-man that season that season. If a lot of you people online base everything on +/-, than Russo, Hronek should not even be playing in the AHL at all and they should be taking regular shifts in the NHL already. But they are still in GR because they have a high + on the +/- stat, does not mean they are great d-men.

Hicketts has a - on his +/- mainly because he goes up against the top forward lines in the AHL on most nights, while Hronek and Russo does not. Big difference. Hicketts is more of a defending d-man and he is not know for his high offense output as Hronek and Russo are. Explains why Detroit called up Hicketts over Hronek and Russo, mainly because Hicketts is a physical player and defends a whole lot better than Hronek and Russo will ever do. Who is Detroit on the d-side is a physical player right now? Kronwall use to be, but not no more. Green will not hit at all. Jensen and Ouellet rarely does, DeKeyser does at times, Ericsson does at times, Dailey does at times.

Sproul best d-man in the OHL for Soo Greyhounds one season (because he had the most points scored by a d-man and had a high +, not because he was a great defending d-man). Scored points here in GR when he was here, but his main problem is that forwards from other teams go around him like a pylon in his own end. Explains why he could not make it in Detroit and with the Rangers. Where is Sproul now? In Hartford in the AHL. Why? Because he can't defend in front of his own net and he is consistently not accurate with his hard shot that he is known for.

Hronek is a great offensive d-man, but in my opinion, he is our worse d-man when it comes to defending in front of his own goal (which is suppose to be the first thing that a d-man is responsible in doing). Which is why he is in GR and not in Detroit right now. Saarijavi plays better defense than Hronek here in GR at the moment, but Hronek is more skilled on the offensive side than Saarijarvi, which is why everyone gets excited every time the Griffins box score shows up and everyone sees Hronek's name plastered all over the place scoring a goal and picking up several assists here and he is a +5 last week in a game, etc. That is fine and good, but watch what he does in the Griffins zone defending wise and you see a much different picture. This is where Hronek needs to greatly improve if he wants a shot in the NHL and stays there for seasons to come.

Thanks for the input, I don't think +/- is an indication of defensive ability but usually those who are defensive liabilities will eventually end up on the - side or at least not be in a commanding lead of the + side of a bad team. Doesn't sound like you're very high on him, hopefully he improves the D side soon enough. But there are some guys in the NHL that are pretty awful defensively that make it purely on their offense, so if Hronek keeps producing that's exciting. That's what we need more than a Jensen or Ouellet.

 

[GrGriffins]

Tansey sent back down to Toledo today.

 

[GrGriffins]

Thanks for the input, I don't think +/- is an indication of defensive ability but usually those who are defensive liabilities will eventually end up on the - side or at least not be in a commanding lead of the + side of a bad team. Doesn't sound like you're very high on him, hopefully he improves the D side soon enough. But there are some guys in the NHL that are pretty awful defensively that make it purely on their offense, so if Hronek keeps producing that's exciting. That's what we need more than a Jensen or Ouellet.

I have high hopes on Hronek and I hope he does well and improve here in GR and gets a shot in Detroit. It is great to see that he has an offensive upside to his game and that is what most people on this board only sees (mainly through looking at the box score of each game) which is fine. But just like any coin, there is 2 sides (heads and tails). The side that I see on a game to game basis is that his defensive side of the his game is his major weakness and thus he is in GR and not in Detroit right now that people here do not see.

I'm not a big fan of Jensen and Ouellet and it is amazing that they are both still in Detroit. Jensen play in Detroit this season is what fans in GR has seen him play in the 4 seasons he played in GR. Ouellet did not do much in GR either while he was here. Griffins have several d-man that can easily replace those two at any given notice. It is true that the majority of the NHL d-man who center their offensive side of their game over their defensive side, but at some point, a d-man has to be ready to defend in front of their net, or at least make a great effort to do so.

When the Wings are officially out of getting into the playoffs, do not be surprised if the following players in GR get called up to Detroit before the season ends: [Forwards] Lorito, Tangradi, Street, Campbell [D-men] McIlrath, Renouf, Russo. The Wings will have to determine if they want to keep any of these players in the organization for next season, or do they try to include any of them in a deal in the TDL if a deal(s) is to be made.

 

[ShelbyZ]

I suspect once Green (and possibly more) are traded they'll give everyone in GR 5-8 NHL games to see where they're at.

Would be nice, but the CBA limits NHL teams to 4 "non-emergency" call ups after the deadline.

Also, IIRC, any player an NHL team hopes to have available for their AHL teams playoffs, needs to be on the AHL teams roster (whether actually there or a quick one day "on paper" assignment) when the NHL trade deadline passes. Calling that player up after the deadline burns one of the 4 call ups.

Unless the Wings sell off more than just Green and/or see a bunch of injuries pile up after the deadline, we probably won't see many more than 4 guys get called up at some point after the deadline.

The reason the Red Wings had so many recalls after the deadline last season was because they left the NHL roster down to 12F, 6D and 2G after getting rid of Vanek, Ott, Jurco and Smith and mostly utilized limitless "emergency recall" when guys got hurt or were questionable before games. IIRC, Coreau, Callahan, Russo and Lorito were the 4 "non-emergency" recalls, while Nosek, Street, Svechnikov, Lashoff and Renouf were all "emergency" recalls.

 

[Winger98]

When the Wings are officially out of getting into the playoffs, do not be surprised if the following players in GR get called up to Detroit before the season ends: [Forwards] Lorito, Tangradi, Street, Campbell [D-men] McIlrath, Renouf, Russo. The Wings will have to determine if they want to keep any of these players in the organization for next season, or do they try to include any of them in a deal in the TDL if a deal(s) is to be made.

No offense, but I'm not seeing what giving those guys time in Detroit will tell the Wings about whether or not to keep them in the organization for next year. The truth is they are AHLers, good ones, but still AHLers. If GR needs quality AHL vets, I'd trust Nelson&Co. in whatever they say about them.

 

[GrGriffins]

San Antonio Rampage 3 at Grand Rapids Griffins 4 (OT) - Status: Final OT
Friday, February 9, 2018 - Van Andel Arena

San Antonio 0 1 2 0 - 3
Grand Rapids 0 1 2 1 - 4

1st Period- No Scoring.

Penalties-Graham Sa (tripping), 4:57; Belzile Sa (tripping), 8:49; Hronek Gr (tripping), 11:43.

2nd Period-1, San Antonio, Ouellette-St. Amant 2 (Graham, Kostin), 2:37. 2, Grand Rapids, Hronek 7 (Street, Lashoff), 10:51.

Penalties-Grimaldi Sa (hooking), 5:23; Blais Sa (holding), 19:04; Hronek Gr (roughing), 19:04.

3rd Period-3, San Antonio, Graham 2 (Blais, Warsofsky), 1:41 (PP). 4, Grand Rapids, Lorito 15 (Turgeon, Campbell), 4:10. 5, Grand Rapids, Ford 18 (Hronek, Puempel), 8:33. 6, San Antonio, Agozzino 9 (Warsofsky), 15:16.

Penalties-McIlrath Gr (hooking), 1:05; Girard Sa (roughing), 4:47; Vogelhuber Sa (charging, roughing), 4:47; Hronek Gr (roughing), 4:47; Puempel Gr (roughing), 4:47; Lorito Gr (tripping), 5:32; Grimaldi Sa (high-sticking), 6:13; Agozzino Sa (slashing), 6:47; Tangradi Gr (goaltender interference), 7:48.

OT Period-7, Grand Rapids, Lorito 16 (Campbell, Turgeon), 3:16.

Penalties-No Penalties

Shots on Goal-San Antonio 7-12-15-4-38. Grand Rapids 16-12-11-3-42.

Power Play Opportunities-San Antonio 1 / 3; Grand Rapids 0 / 6.

Goalies-San Antonio, Husso 11-7-2 (42 shots-38 saves). Grand Rapids, McCollum 8-8-3 (38 shots-35 saves).

A-10,171

Referees-Reid Anderson (49), Conor O'Donnell (6).
Linesmen-Justin Cornell (14), Pat Richardson (67).

 

[GrGriffins]

Wild game at VanAndel tonight. Confusion at the visitors penalty box in the third period, Griffins third goal was nearly offiside, and a lengthy review in OT got the Griffins the OT victory. Longest regular season game (time wise) that I could remember. Puempel got hurt late in the 3rd period not sure if he will play tomorrow night. Crazy night after getting snow throughout most of the day.

 

[GrGriffins]

No offense, but I'm not seeing what giving those guys time in Detroit will tell the Wings about whether or not to keep them in the organization for next year. The truth is they are AHLers, good ones, but still AHLers. If GR needs quality AHL vets, I'd trust Nelson&Co. in whatever they say about them.

The majority of the players in GR are on NHL contracts, not all. They make up part of the 50 players that the NHL can sign up per season. You keep guys in the AHL for 2-4 seasons down there, at some point, the NHL club has to decided whether to keep them in the organization, let them go, or make a trade with another NHL club to move them out so that guys in college/juniors/Europe that are your draft picks that run out time there and needs to put in the pros (ECHL, AHL, or straight to the NHL) the team needs to make room for those guys for next season.

With the Wings with their long term guys tying up space in Detroit, some of these players in GR are stuck here and a player or two are stuck in Toledo and these guys can not move up. Happens with all the NHL teams every season. Decisions are made whether this player is needed in the organization or not at this time and over the summer months when the season ends.

 

[ChadS]

That Ford goal definitely looked like it should have been an assist for Hronek, not Puempel & Street (offiside too)...

 

[GrGriffins]

Puempel will not play in tonight's game. Svechnikov will take over Puempel's spot on the top line with Tangradi and Street. Coreau in net tonight.

 

[Redder Winger]

I
When the Wings are officially out of getting into the playoffs, do not be surprised if the following players in GR get called up to Detroit before the season ends: [Forwards] Lorito, Tangradi, Street, Campbell [D-men] McIlrath, Renouf, Russo. The Wings will have to determine if they want to keep any of these players in the organization for next season, or do they try to include any of them in a deal in the TDL if a deal(s) is to be made.

Of those guys, McIlrath is the only one I'm even somewhat interested in.
Can't see who would want them in a deadline deal.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Hronek is usually on the top scoring line for the Griffins as of late (Street, Puempel, & Tangradi) and they have been scoring a lot recently. +/- stat means that you are on the ice when your team scores more than goals your team gives up on even strength and on shorthanded situations. Does not mean that you are a great defenseman if you have a high +.

Russo had the best +/- in his first season for the Griffins in the entire AHL with a +41 and was named AHL All-rookie D-man, but he did not win best AHL d-man that season that season. If a lot of you people online base everything on +/-, than Russo, Hronek should not even be playing in the AHL at all and they should be taking regular shifts in the NHL already. But they are still in GR because they have a high + on the +/- stat, does not mean they are great d-men.

Hicketts has a - on his +/- mainly because he goes up against the top forward lines in the AHL on most nights, while Hronek and Russo does not. Big difference. Hicketts is more of a defending d-man and he is not know for his high offense output as Hronek and Russo are. Explains why Detroit called up Hicketts over Hronek and Russo, mainly because Hicketts is a physical player and defends a whole lot better than Hronek and Russo will ever do. Who is Detroit on the d-side is a physical player right now? Kronwall use to be, but not no more. Green will not hit at all. Jensen and Ouellet rarely does, DeKeyser does at times, Ericsson does at times, Dailey does at times.

Sproul best d-man in the OHL for Soo Greyhounds one season (because he had the most points scored by a d-man and had a high +, not because he was a great defending d-man). Scored points here in GR when he was here, but his main problem is that forwards from other teams go around him like a pylon in his own end. Explains why he could not make it in Detroit and with the Rangers. Where is Sproul now? In Hartford in the AHL. Why? Because he can't defend in front of his own net and he is consistently not accurate with his hard shot that he is known for.

Hronek is a great offensive d-man, but in my opinion, he is our worse d-man when it comes to defending in front of his own goal (which is suppose to be the first thing that a d-man is responsible in doing). Which is why he is in GR and not in Detroit right now. Saarijavi plays better defense than Hronek here in GR at the moment, but Hronek is more skilled on the offensive side than Saarijarvi, which is why everyone gets excited every time the Griffins box score shows up and everyone sees Hronek's name plastered all over the place scoring a goal and picking up several assists here and he is a +5 last week in a game, etc. That is fine and good, but watch what he does in the Griffins zone defending wise and you see a much different picture. This is where Hronek needs to greatly improve if he wants a shot in the NHL and stays there for seasons to come.

Hicketts has always been known for his offensive output until this year.
Who the Wings call up doesn't mean anything. They are terrible at assessing talent.
Hronek is much better defensively than Saarijarvi. After sitting out 8 against games as a scratch at the start of the season (they still had Sproul for the first 5 and still have one too many leaving Saarijarvi as the odd man out too often or going with 7 defensemen (compromising everyone's ice-time)), he gradually gained more responsibility and is now a regular on the PK. Hronek is very competitive along the boards and in front of the net. As is evidenced in the highlights of the last 2 games.
In yesterday's game. Puempel was boarded earlier in the game and Hronek grabbed one of the Rampage by the neck in the melee that followed and shoved him to the ice earning one of his 2 roughing calls on the night. In Wednesday's game against Manitoba. He had his man tied up and knocked him to the ground on a goal mouth scramble on the goal against that he was on for. Playing against bigger stronger men hasn't tempered his combativeness at all.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

That Ford goal definitely looked like it should have been an assist for Hronek, not Puempel & Street (offiside too)...

He was definitely ripped off for an assist.He waa knocked off stride as he crossed the blueline and dropped a nice pass to Ford who was speeding into the o-zone, Hronek had the awareness to clear the zone off stride, enabling Ford to enter the zone and fire a wrister into the net for the Griffs' 3rd goal.

 

[Claypool]

4 goals in his last 5 games for Hronek.

 

[GrGriffins]

Stockton Heat 3 (SO) at Grand Rapids Griffins 2 - Status: Final SO
Saturday, February 10, 2018 - Van Andel Arena

Stockton 0 1 1 0 - 3
Grand Rapids 0 2 0 0 - 2

1st Period- No Scoring.

Penalties-Elson Gr (slashing), 12:39; Russo Gr (slashing), 16:12; served by Shine Gr (bench minor - too many men), 18:20.

2nd Period-1, Stockton, Findlay 9 (Cramarossa, Wotherspoon), 0:19 (PP). 2, Grand Rapids, Tangradi 20 (Svechnikov, Street), 12:16. 3, Grand Rapids, Ford 19 (Hronek, Street), 14:14 (PP).

Penalties-Glass Stk (holding the stick), 0:38; Prout Stk (roughing), 5:39; Ford Gr (slashing), 9:40; Glass Stk (slashing), 12:43; Renouf Gr (tripping), 15:05.

3rd Period-4, Stockton, Wotherspoon 5 (Shinkaruk, Findlay), 17:57 (PP).

Penalties-Ford Gr (slashing), 3:04; Poirier Stk (roughing), 11:11; Foo Stk (hooking), 15:25; Prout Stk (fighting), 17:05; Russo Gr (tripping), 17:05; Svechnikov Gr (fighting), 17:05.

OT Period- No Scoring.

Penalties-No Penalties

Shootout - Stockton 2 (Mangiapane G, Shinkaruk G), Grand Rapids 0 (Turgeon NG, Hronek NG).

Shots on Goal-Stockton 14-5-9-3-1-32. Grand Rapids 2-14-6-5-0-27.

Power Play Opportunities-Stockton 2 / 7; Grand Rapids 1 / 5.

Goalies-Stockton, Gillies 14-12-4 (27 shots-25 saves). Grand Rapids, Coreau 18-10-4 (31 shots-29 saves).

A-10,234

Referees-Reid Anderson (49).
Linesmen-Jim Scarpace (75), John Tallieu (94).

 

[newfy]

Svechnikov fought Prout??

 

[GrGriffins]

Svechnikov fought Prout??

Prout was in Svech face too long to where Svech had enough of it. Svech got him early, but Svech held on at the end. Ended up even. Prout was going after Svech several times during the game, but Svech would not be sucked in to his tactics.

 

[GrGriffins]

That Ford goal definitely looked like it should have been an assist for Hronek, not Puempel & Street (offiside too)...

Off-ice officials had a bad overall night on this game. Visitors penalty box attended did not know what he was doing and he was replaced by someone else in last night's game. Hronek was given the assist on that goal as it was corrected Sunday morning. Check the updated box score for the game.

 

[newfy]

Prout was in Svech face too long to where Svech had enough of it. Svech got him early, but Svech held on at the end. Ended up even. Prout was going after Svech several times during the game, but Svech would not be sucked in to his tactics.

Svechnikov is lucky he didnt get killed in that one, Prout would probably be a top 5ish tough guy in the NHL if he was still up. He one punched Lucic before. Svech didnt win but he did handle himself well though and doesnt seem to take shit which is nice.

Speaking of fights.. what do you think of Dominik Shine? Does he have the skills to be a regular 4th liner in the NHL? I liked him in the 3 games I saw. Does he PK at all?

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Svechnikov is lucky he didnt get killed in that one, Prout would probably be a top 5ish tough guy in the NHL if he was still up. He one punched Lucic before. Svech didnt win but he did handle himself well though and doesnt seem to take **** which is nice.

Speaking of fights.. what do you think of Dominik Shine? Does he have the skills to be a regular 4th liner in the NHL? I liked him in the 3 games I saw. Does he PK at all?