going forward: J.Hughes vs Stutzle vs Raymond (originally posted Feb 7, 22)
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Stutzle
Hughes
Raymond
Could go either way on the first two, but I like Timmy's shot and physicality more, so him by a hair.
Hughes
Raymond
Could go either way on the first two, but I like Timmy's shot and physicality more, so him by a hair.
TheKrebsCycle
Throwing Confetti for Perfetti
Stutzle is going to be a dominant player very soon .....him by a hair over Hughes...
GettingYourMoms
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Cant believe Raymond is 3rd option he is already better than stutzle and is younger than hughes.
Pavels Dog
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It should be closer than the results so far. Raymond is the youngest and is outperforming each of Hughes & Stützle's first 2 seasons.
Holymakinaw
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Yeah but Hughes is pretty much a point-per-game Centre already at 20. Much more difficult position to play than Winger.
Hughes should win this, all day long.
Pavels Dog
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Hughes needs to keep that up. Either way it's his 3rd season and 1 year older than the others.
Don't think he's really shining in the difficult center duties either (defense+faceoffs), he's not killing penalties or anything..
bert
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This is not accurate. You can tell who is watching the games and who watches the score sheet. Que the Bertuzzi and Larkin are no good arguments.
bert
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bert
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Stutzle is tracking in production at a very similar rate at the same age. Plays a more physical game. Since moved to center he is scoring .8 ppg. Also shoots more.
Artorius Horus T
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I wonder how much weighs Hughes current production in the past 2 months or so, for his votes
Lets wait the entire next season before reignite the hype.
I'll admit, Jack Hughes has produced well, played well, but still, he is behind both Raymond
and Stutzle and their trajectory, in my opinion at least.
For example.
Its Raymond's first ever NA season and he is already playing better what Hughes
and producing more points, while being over a year younger.
Lets wait the entire next season before reignite the hype.
I'll admit, Jack Hughes has produced well, played well, but still, he is behind both Raymond
and Stutzle and their trajectory, in my opinion at least.
For example.
Its Raymond's first ever NA season and he is already playing better what Hughes
and producing more points, while being over a year younger.
Pavels Dog
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Raymond is the youngest and is outperforming each of Hughes & Stützle's first 2 seasons.
Raymond is out-performing Hughes' 1st season but isn't even remotely close to Hughes' sophomore season last year. So that's definitely not a fact. Hughes has shown by far the highest peak on the ice of any of the three thus far. That's not to say he's guaranteed to continue that way over the other two or that they won't also experience similar growth. But Hughes has shown the highest level thus far and it's not very close.
Pavels Dog
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Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
They're all within 12 months of the same age, and all still developing so these "Hughes is one year older" comments is useless when they all have the same amount of room to improve.
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Pavels Dog
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1 year age difference is big at 18-20. 1 year experience can matter a ton also. This isn't controversial at all.
HugeInTheShire
You may not like me but, I'm Huge in the Shire
I'll take Hughes, but I can completely understand why people are taking either of the other two.
GettingYourMoms
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Raymond is superior player and you must be blind not to see this.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Isn’t remotely close? He already has more points in like 10 less games? While also being a rookie.Raymond is the youngest and is outperforming each of Hughes & Stützle's first 2 seasons.
Raymond is out-performing Hughes' 1st season but isn't even remotely close to Hughes' sophomore season last year. So that's definitely not a fact. Hughes has shown by far the highest peak on the ice of any of the three thus far. That's not to say he's guaranteed to continue that way over the other two or that they won't also experience similar growth. But Hughes has shown the highest level thus far and it's not very close.
I can’t tell who has the better hair though
Ok - sure, let's put aside the advanced stats which clearly show that in his 19 year-old season, Hughes was a more efficient, more effective and better 3-zone play driver than Raymond this season.
Raymond: 47 GP, 11 G, 24 A, 35 Pts
Hughes: 56 GP, 10 G, 20 A, 30 Pts
Ok, Raymond has more goals and assists.
His most common linemates? And the most prevalent line that Detroit has iced this season? Bertuzzi-Larkin-Hughes.
Hughes' most common linemates last year? Two other rookies - Kuokkonen and Sharangovich. Both of whom were beyond useless when Hughes has been out this season.
I'd say a little context is involved with their "counting stats" - if that's the route you are choosing to base your entire measurement of this players off of. That's not a slight on Raymond who is likely a Calder finalist this year. Hughes' season last year is just undervalued. As I said - it doesn't mean Hughes is always going to stay ahead of Raymond and sure, if you want to say well Raymond is a rookie at 19 while Hughes already had a season under his belt, therefore "I think he's got more untapped upside at the same age" then that's fine too.
But if Detroit fans are going to shout about Raymond's point totals and how that proves he's ahead of everybody else without context, without recognition of other statistical measures of a player's impact on the ice then I'm going to say perhaps a more thorough analysis is warranted.
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