Langway
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# of championships really isn't that important when evaluating whether someone is a good GM. What's important is looking at those championships in context and evaluating how well a GM can sustain and repeat success. Give me a GM who's teams have regularly made deep playoff runs over a guy who's had one magical run any day.
Yo cain, I'm pretty sure the post you are quoting from the Devil's Advocate is stating that deep playoff runs are "more important" than a championship.
Yes. In predicting the likelihood of a future championship. I absolutely agree with him. There are too many factors at play in a given year to use one championship as an indicator of future ones. Doug Wilson has a much, much more impressive resume than Burke.
He GM'd over Vancouver when they sucked and left them with Sedins.
Weren't you the guy assigning significance to 1 GM winning cups with 2 different teams in 100 years, context be damned?
To "sustain" success you first need to have it, no?
Or has McPhee been "successful"?
I'm not quite sure why being in the anti-Burke camp automatically puts one in the pro-McPhee camp...?
I cannot imagine Ted hiring Brian Burke.
Ted: "Hey, uh...gee...do you think we can compete for the Cup one day?"
Burke: "Why the f is Ovie not playing hard in the g-damned defensive zone?"
Ted: "Gee, I'm not sure about that..."
Burke: "Is Backstrom ever gonna shoot the puck or what?"
Ted: "Backstrom is a nice person."
Burke: "Ha! Ha! Good one."
Ted: "No really, Nicky is very kind."
Burke: "Anyway...why is our defense so easy to play against? I want entering our D zone to be scarier than entering a biker bar!"
Ted: "I don't like biker bars."
So the moral of the story is that Cup winning GMs tend to have balls and are decisive (for good or bad).
Or multiple deep playoff runs mean you managed to luck into 3-4 franchise players.
Though I'm sure Holland is the only GM out there smart enough to listen to his head scout on who to take with his 7th round picks. Or inherit a generational defenseman.
I wonder how Burke's tenure compares to the majority of other GMs. I'm sure there's a bunch that have had a ton of deep playoff runs in the same time frame. Of course, we'd have to define what "deep" means in the first place, but maybe that would just get in the way of "context".
Or multiple deep playoff runs mean you managed to luck into 3-4 franchise players.
Though I'm sure Holland is the only GM out there smart enough to listen to his head scout on who to take with his 7th round picks. Or inherit a generational defenseman.
I wonder how Burke's tenure compares to the majority of other GMs. I'm sure there's a bunch that have had a ton of deep playoff runs in the same time frame. Of course, we'd have to define what "deep" means in the first place, but maybe that would just get in the way of "context".
holland also has the advantage of his team's reputation built up by previous administrations. when his team takes the ice in the playoffs, no matter how good they are, there is fear and respect. for a long time now, well before mcphee became the gm opposing teams see the capitals take the ice in the playoffs, no matter how good they are, see an opportunity to win and move on.
Holland signed a 40 goal hall of famer as a ufa and won the cup 12 months later. He signed a future hall of fame dman as a ufa and won the cup 12 months later.
Holland has had some luck along the way but he's got balls and conviction.
You realize that the Wings were a lot like us in the mid 90s...noted playoff chokers. Then Holland came on and they won cup after cup. So, yeah, he built teams and rebuilt the franchise. That's what a good manager does.