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Habs_Apostle
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Had to watch the Cotto-Kamegai fight I'd recorded (Cotto beat him silly for 12 rounds but Kamegai just kept coming... it was surreal what that Japanese guy took!), but some thoughts on Mayweather-McGregor...
McGregor looked like a giant in there next to Floyd. But it wasn't just a big man imposing his size in there. Conor actually out-slicked Floyd in the early rounds: counter uppercut, switch stance to jab, for example. I was very impressed with Conor's defensive awareness. And then not just to avoid Floyd's shots, but to counter him effectively. This is Floyd Mayweather we're talking about - that's pretty freaking amazing! I mean this wasn't just Floyd sitting back and letting Conor punch himself out. No, he was actually being out-slicked! But alas McGregor could not hold the pace. And once the fatigue set in, that was the beginning of the end. But it was nothing Floyd did per se. If McGregor could go a comfortable 12 rounds, this could have been a big upset. But, really, a hell of a showing by Conor (You could have given him a good 4 rounds!).
Having said that, this was a 40 year old Floyd Mayweather coming off a 2 year layoff fighting a much bigger fighter at the peak of his powers. Honestly, from what I saw from Floyd tonight, if he fought a top tier fighter in the sport today he'd be 49-1 now. And if he fought Golovkin, he'd have been stopped.
Also, McGregor isn't a heavy puncher. He has superb timing, though, and that's how he hurts guys in the UFC. Once he gets tired, he really doesn't have much pop. Even when tired, though, he was still able to trouble Mayweather because of his size. If he fought someone his own size, say a Golovkin, he'd get seriously concussed.
But a win for everyone involved. McGregor as impressive as most expected he could be (likely surprised many). Mayweather gets 50-0 and breaks Marciano's record. And both guys add to their already large bank accounts. And it was actually a fairly entertaining fight for the fans.
Now back to the serious match-ups!
McGregor looked like a giant in there next to Floyd. But it wasn't just a big man imposing his size in there. Conor actually out-slicked Floyd in the early rounds: counter uppercut, switch stance to jab, for example. I was very impressed with Conor's defensive awareness. And then not just to avoid Floyd's shots, but to counter him effectively. This is Floyd Mayweather we're talking about - that's pretty freaking amazing! I mean this wasn't just Floyd sitting back and letting Conor punch himself out. No, he was actually being out-slicked! But alas McGregor could not hold the pace. And once the fatigue set in, that was the beginning of the end. But it was nothing Floyd did per se. If McGregor could go a comfortable 12 rounds, this could have been a big upset. But, really, a hell of a showing by Conor (You could have given him a good 4 rounds!).
Having said that, this was a 40 year old Floyd Mayweather coming off a 2 year layoff fighting a much bigger fighter at the peak of his powers. Honestly, from what I saw from Floyd tonight, if he fought a top tier fighter in the sport today he'd be 49-1 now. And if he fought Golovkin, he'd have been stopped.
Also, McGregor isn't a heavy puncher. He has superb timing, though, and that's how he hurts guys in the UFC. Once he gets tired, he really doesn't have much pop. Even when tired, though, he was still able to trouble Mayweather because of his size. If he fought someone his own size, say a Golovkin, he'd get seriously concussed.
But a win for everyone involved. McGregor as impressive as most expected he could be (likely surprised many). Mayweather gets 50-0 and breaks Marciano's record. And both guys add to their already large bank accounts. And it was actually a fairly entertaining fight for the fans.
Now back to the serious match-ups!
I thought mcgregor would go 12 and FM would win decision. I did not expect him to tire out so early. Wasn't really for 12 rounds.
OldCraig71
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I think a lot of people try to discredit mccregor there... Calling Mayweather like he was somekind of Lucian Bute because he's 40.
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hats off to McGreggor, he did a lot better than I expected, he ran out of gas and fell apart. I think most people knew the later rounds would be a problem for him, Everything before that actually looked pretty good.
all in all I think he did better going in against an older Legend in a new sport for the first time then say, a guy like Canelo going into MMA for the first time against GSP coming out of retirement. Though Connor lost, he certainly has nothing to be ashamed of, he still surpassed 90% of people's expectations even if he didn't shock the world in Rocky like fashion.
all in all I think he did better going in against an older Legend in a new sport for the first time then say, a guy like Canelo going into MMA for the first time against GSP coming out of retirement. Though Connor lost, he certainly has nothing to be ashamed of, he still surpassed 90% of people's expectations even if he didn't shock the world in Rocky like fashion.
Should have been a 8 rounds fight. Would have been more interesting. Mayweather's strategy was pretty clear.
Do we now see Mayweather get in the octagon for the rematch?
He wouldn't touch octagon. Especially in a world where people do weight cuts he would be so screwed if someone grappled him at full weight without a stoppage.
But I think the match was about a rounded fighter going up against a specialist. The specialist(Mayweather) won in his domain. The rounded(not fully rounded, just MMA) fighter kept up but he lacked experience, cardio and certain smarts to deal with particular things.
I think it's a big win for MMA because it showed that you can take some skill sets away and still make it a fight. Mind you...McGregor is good and all but he hasn't even had a title defense. Would he remain champ? Guy played it super smart, made this fight when he was on a roll.
OldCraig71
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We also have to remeber that Mcgregor is after all 11 years younger than Mayweather and the guy was basically retired from the sport. It looked to me that Mayweather took it very easy on MG and it was semi staged to go as long as it did as not to **** off the ppv crowd and to take some of the gimmicky feel away from it and make it look like a serious event, just my 2 cents.
Mcgregor dominated the first three rounds than Mayweather beat on him for seven rounds once Connor was tired. Mayweather clearly the more experience and smarter boxer won on tactics against a much bigger Mcgregor. Look like Mcgregor had potentially 15-20 lbs on Mayweather.
LaP
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For sure money would need to change his defense tactics. Purposely exposing the back of your head is not a good strategy in mma
Yes, CM did way better than everyone thought/said he would....but
not nearly as well as HE thought/said he would.
While he was clearly busier, how did Conor dominate the first three rounds? 9-8-9 landed. Anyone thinking that Conor had a shot at all was duped. Floyd would never had been able to take him out early but he was in control the whole time. He made sure the fans had a good show and he also made Conor look respectable to the fans. Boxing aficionados can see through the hype.
One thing Floyd has never been known for is "making sure the fans had a good show"
in fact he has managed just the opposite for most of his career. He has the most yawners of and champion.
One thing Floyd has never been known for is "making sure the fans had a good show"
He has the most yawners of and champion.
In this case, he could have followed past strategies and sat back and easily won a 12 round decision. To his credit, he pressed the action. He still fought a very safe fight.
Yes and the best show/fight FM has been involved in needed CM to get it going....in and outside the ring.
LaP
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To be honest he had no choice. He looked terribad just before opening the gate. Right before that moment he did some turtles Emelin would have been proud off. I think his pride took control of the fight at this point.
googlymoogly
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Megregor dominated before the match with his mouth, Mayweather was toying with him the whole time. Mayweather gave the crowd some enjoyment by not finishing it off earlier. If Megregor fought a prime boxer he'd have serious health issues right now. He's lucky the ref saved his butt when he did.
To be honest, it's the other way around. People are discrediting Mayweather more than McGregor. There has been more props given to McGregor than Mayweather. It went from McGregor winning via TKO to Mayweather should now fight in a MMA match. More comments/responses that I have seen both online and heard in person:
- Match was fixed.
- McGregor more impressive than Mayweather last night.
- Ref stopped the fight too soon.
But yet Connor said he would make it look easy and that he is boxing. I understand people don't like Mayweather but people need to let it be and stop finding excuses or deflecting the fact that their man loss (all the hype and build up did that).
oberan1
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Like someone else said in another post, anyone who follows boxing even a little would tell you that CM wouldn't have lasted 2 rounds with a boxer with an attack-first mentality. I'm definitely no FM fan, but again, if you follow boxing, you'll know that he always concedes the first few rounds then tires his opponents out. He's not a "brute-strength", KO-type of fighter; he's technical. Look at his records: 50 victories of which somewhere around half are KOs.
I'm no Mayweather fan, but I have to give credit where it's due. His skills are unquestionable. His choice of opponents might be, but not his skill.
I have seen 30 fights maybe of Floyd and let tell me you this... we have seen a shot maywheather yesterday.......far far of a prime Floyd. His speed is now maybe half at it used to be. Watch the gatti fight in 2005 or hatton in 2008.... A 32 years old Floyd would have destroyed Conor inside of 3 rounds. Even in 2015 vs PAC man....man floyd was shot.
His combinaisons are simply not there anymore. Speed is the most important thing in boxing and no human being is as explosive at 40 years old ...even Floyd.
His combinaisons are simply not there anymore. Speed is the most important thing in boxing and no human being is as explosive at 40 years old ...even Floyd.
Like I said previously, the fact the the fight was 12 rounds, it was basically impossible for McGregor to win, especially against a experienced boxer known for his defense. It would have been more interesting if the fight was 8 rounds, it would have pushed Mayweather to change his strategy and be more offensive. The fact that the fight was 12 rounds all Mayweather had to do is duck duck in the first rounds and McGregor got tired, fighting in a situation he never fought before. McGregor basically beat himself by spending too much energy early in the fight, Mayweather despite having more power punches didn't hurt McGregor that much.
It was a strategy fight, not a technical boxing fight... which is ok. I'm just saying it would have been more interesting to cut the fight to 8 rounds instead of 12. Give the chance for both boxers to win.
Conor camp was naive... he said in the post fight presser that he only sparred 6 rounds vs someone with his hands high and that came forward. The rest was Philly shell fighters. If he had checked Floyd fights vs southpaw fighters, he would've known that Floyd doesn't use the Philly shell vs southpaws because it exposes him to the left hand. And that left hand is McG's strength.
As I mentioned we have seen a shot maywhaether yesterday. Actualy Floyd is not at his prime since at least 5 years... if you have followed his carreer you will be agree.
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