Calgary is same as us, there is very little there we should be interested in. Pettersson sure but Canucks are in good place right now, Tkacuk is last guy sens are trading and he’s never expressed any interest in wanting out. I agree there are core guys needing to go but those are guys like Nelson, Palmieri and perhaps Pageau and Lee who are guys with less term on their deals.
GDT: GDT #13 Washington Capitols vs New York Islanders | November 11th | 7:30 PM | F/4-1 L
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Glory Days
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LOL Yeah, when it comes to not producing for his coach, this is not Horvat's First Rodeo either! He has experience with exactly this just recently!!!!
Glory Days
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Nelson is the only player you mentioned that has value. The rest are cap dumps that will require an asset to move.
What about Hanifin or Lindholm? I would trade for either. Other than Dobson there is not a defenseman on the Isles I wouldn’t trade for a signed Hanifin.
SI90
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I’ve loved Barzal but the sad truth is with all his talent he doesn’t take over games or put the team in his back like a $9.5 million player should. At some point we can’t blame coaching or the roster around him. You think it matters who Mackinnon or Hughes is coached by or plays with?
To be fair, he was producing for VAN and one of the leading goal scorers.
Lindholm is meh, he’s going to be overpaid and Hanifin is good but we don’t have assets that make sense nor trying to sign him. We re going to have to use picks to dump guys, that reality of where we are right now if we are going to retool this.
Yes he was scoring. I did not mean to imply it was "Him" only, just experience with a bad team and fans chanting for the Coach to be fired.
I like Horvat btw...
Barzal can't finish often enough. It's his shot. Not accurate enough and not hard enough.
Glory Days
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That would be interesting.... I love Pelech, but to be honest, I'm really starting to think his best days are behind him...
Tbh Calgary doesn’t do that, Lee could be buyout guy if his current trend continues but can’t see anyone trading for him. I do think they could get someone to take Palmieri with only year left on his deal and some salary retained. Pageau also in a similar deal with some retained salary. Nelson could get them good pieces if you want to go that route and I could see them trying to trade one of Pelech or Pulock.
SI90
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He’s breaking down. Best to trade him while he still has somewhat of a shutdown reputation
Glory Days
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Ok so substitute Palmieri for Lee in my trade proposal. I’d still do it.
Agreed and while you can get a core piece back.
I'm not putting words in your mouth. As a first line player in his 8th year here, in his prime at 26 years old, Barzal should have already been scoring at an elite level. That hasn't happened here and it is a big problem.
The skills Mat Barzal has don't carry a team. He's better suited for Da Beauty League.
On the Islanders Barzal is a square peg.
Throttle
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How much longer can this narrative go on?
Only on the Isles the most talented, ‘best’ player, and highest paid have a litany of fan excuses to come out of the woodwork.
And this will solve a lot of other problems on the ice too since the rest of the team is beholden to his style of play that doesn’t mesh with anyone.
Is he though? This team struggles to score goals and he plays on the top line and top PP. We are basically bottom on the nhl in offensive output. Can’t see how the top line and top pp aren’t part of that problem.
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The game in Vancouver coming up may be the straw that breaks the camels back. If they get shellacked (likely) in Bo's return game and the taunts rain down, I think that will be catalyst for any changes that may be forthcoming. Gonna get worse before it gets better I fear.
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Ok. Obviously everyone is frustrated because of where things are overall and the outcome of this game specifically.
But do people really think that there was a lack of effort by the Islanders yesterday? They played a very good game overall. The Horvat line specifically had high danger chances all night long.
Now if you want to criticize their execution, or previous efforts… I can see that.
Just curious, because despite how annoying this game was. I didn’t see the Isles coasting… rather they seemingly controlled most of the play. But with nothing to show for it.
But do people really think that there was a lack of effort by the Islanders yesterday? They played a very good game overall. The Horvat line specifically had high danger chances all night long.
Now if you want to criticize their execution, or previous efforts… I can see that.
Just curious, because despite how annoying this game was. I didn’t see the Isles coasting… rather they seemingly controlled most of the play. But with nothing to show for it.
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I think they've strung together some good efforts back to back, the issue is that those efforts are still resulting in losses. Even for the optimistic it's becoming increasingly frustrating when the same problems persist year after year and the added players aren't moving the needle enough. There are only so many ways to augment the roster and it seems like there might not be enough juice left to squeeze.
On paper this roster is better than the start of last season but how are they in the standings?
Right now they're 5-5-3 with 13 points and 14th in the Conference.
Last season they were 8-5 with 16 points and 5th in the Conference.
It's not only the points and standings, it's that the issues the team has had continue to be the same. The Power Play is still bad. Scoring goals is a problem in general. Penalties (for vs against) continues to be a struggle.
On the season I think the positives we've seen so far are:
1) Holmstrom seems to be progressing
2) Dobson is taking another step it seems
A few forwards have had good stretches but nobody is stringing things together consistently. There's time to turn things around but it needs to happen very quickly. I don't see this team as being the type that can rattle of ten straight wins to get back into the race if they fall too far back.
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CupHolders
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I agree. I was genuinely more interested in the HONEST opinion of posters here regarding the Isles effort yesterday.
Skimming through several posts I was just surprised that their effort was being called out.
I think if anything, focusing on effort (in this game) is misguided at best and completely avoids more concerning issues at worst.
That’s to say that there are things more concerning* than effort, and focusing on effort as a reason is kind of giving individuals in the organization an easy pass.
* As usual you’re concise post has already mentioned some of those things.
doublechili
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Not sure exactly what you meant, but Barzal's NTC still has not kicked in, so he could be traded anywhere.
With Casey sticking up for Lane, tells me Lane is a players coach, and the players are way too comfortable with mediocre. players need a knot snapped outta their ass. I think it’s the players, not Lane, but you can’t fire half the players. If Lane gets fired, better be replaced with a hard ass
The Real JT
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Despite all the negativity, the 2 positives you listed are reassuring. They are the type of young cost controlled players that a winning team needs to be successful.
It’s no surprise to me that they are both first round picks. Sure we’ve misfired on a number of first round picks but the more you have, the better your chances to find quality cost controlled talent.
Meanwhile, we’re left to fantasize over 5th rounders like Maggio and Dufour who have promise but are far from sure things.
