How have Dorion’s moves pan out NOW, WHEN WE NEED IT?
The truth is his moves have actually hurt the team. We’re apparently going into a rebuild/retool without a prospect who is looking more and more like a gem in Dahlen so we could throw money and term at a guy who is no longer NHL calibre. On a cash strapped team no less. Where is Burrows now, when we need him? Dorion sold this guy as someone who can play up and down the lineup, a middle six guy, and based solely on performance he should be in Belleville at best. On top of that he’s suspended for a ridiculous incident that reflects negatively on the team.
We’re going into a retool having acquired Brassard for Zibanejad and a 2nd. Giving up the younger player with significantly more upside and a future asset in order to supposedly acquire a more consistent vet? Sure Zibanejad had an 8 game scoreless drought this season. SO HAS BRASSARD. Despite significant time with Stone. Brassard has also had a 7 game drought, Zib hasn’t. Zib is larger, faster, younger and the kicker is he has the same cap hit. How has that worked out? This year? What about going forward?
Newsflash: we didn’t win the cup last year.
That’s the objective of sports. To win, not to come close and fall short. Had we won last season I could entertain an argument that Dorion’s moves were a success. They very clearly weren’t. Even judging only on the short term Dorion’s moves last season were failures.
You can’t just look at results in a one season vaccum, the job is to ensure continued success.
Even if you want to be a synic and say the objective is to make money, look at our attendance. This is a garbage product and fans are responding in kind.
Let’s be real here too, even if we had scored the winner in game 7, our team was decimated by injury by then and likely wouldn’t have been able to hang with Nashville in the final. The main reason we got to where we did was absolute hero hockey from Erik Karlsson.
This season, we’re going into a rebuild/retool having traded our first from last year (who is by all accounts playing well and the tied as the leading rookie goal scorer in the NCAA) and more importantly our first in one of the next two drafts, a first which will end up being a key asset for Colorado going forward in order to acquire a minor upgrade on a core member of the locker room who was clearly loved by all. Our franchise leader in Playoff OT goals. A tremendous guy in the community.
Where are we now Ice-Tray? We’ve made all these « win now » moves? How are we doing? We’re THIRD LAST IN THE LEAGUE. This season has been an unmitigated disaster. I mean that quite literally, by any measure a team the GM sold as a contender being 3rd last is a disaster. The only saving grace would have been a great draft pick but because of Dorion’s moves we may or may not keep it.
Many posters around here argued Dorion’s moves increased the likelihood of resigning EK. How does that look now? Who really thinks Karlsson wants to stick around for the mediocrity that is coming up?
I’m not being a hater. I’m a frustrated fan watching his team being driven into the ground.
You can disagree that Dorion had followed the same path as Murray, that’s fine, I’ll even grant that he has been more aggressive than Murray. But how can you argue that we haven’t addressed our defense or that we haven’t kept the same « looking for a top 6 forward » messaging?
We lost our second best defenseman in the offseason and have done nothing to replace him.
I don’t appreciate the the suggestion that my narrative is lazy; argue the points not the position.
To be quite honest I wouldn’t be throwing around accusations of not looking at what the team « looks like » and « what [Dorion] has done » in your place. Our team made a series of « win now» trades giving up futures, and is currently third last in the NHL for the first time in (I don’t even know, maybe we sank that low the Zib draft year but ultimately finished higher. Before that was what 1996?), now we’re conceding it’s time to retool. How can you still be looking at Dorion’s performance through rose coloured glasses?
That' a lot of post, and much I don't agree with. Dorion traded what I view to be acceptable futures, and all were secondary compared to our top several assets. We traded away Bowers and a lottery protected 1st, those are the best futures we gave up, while keeping Chabot, White, Brown, Batherson, Formenton, and Chalpik. We don't have endless spots on the team. Realistically I just listed 6 players that look to need roster spaces now and in the near future, and people are complaining because we gave up other futures?
We need to start trading the quantity of assets we have to better the spots we have. People around here like to hoard picks and prospects, which is what we have done, through excellent drafting. At some point though, since not all of your quality assets can make your team, you have to trade some top get better in areas. This is what PD has done.
Bowers and the lottery protected 1st were traded to upgrade from Turris to Duchene. That is a significant upgrade from where I'm sitting, if you don't see it that way then I can understand why you see it as a waste. That's not me looking with rose coloured glasses, that you and me disagreeing about how good Duchene is compared to Turris. I have a feeling that you'll be moving closer to my view sooner than later.
Our playoff run rentals were bought with later picks and Dahlen. Yes it would have been nice to keep the prospect, but in the end it was a nice secondary prospect traded for a player that scored at a .5ppg down the stretch. Personally I would trade Dahlen for that over and over again.
The real issue is the difference between how I view team success, and how you view it. You have a hundred excuses as to why and how the team could have done all kinds of things differently, and you and others downplay last year's success because we didn't win it all. To you it seems like all moves were a waste because we didn't win the cup. To me the moves were well worth it because the team came within a goal of making the finals. Honestly I could never watch a sport and be a fan under those conditions.
The draft pick is lottery protected, so we're going to get another excellent pick this year, and yet folks still argue that we have mortgaged the future. The reality is that this is a one off bad year, like at least one team has every year. next year's pick will not likely be a lottery pick, but even if it was we need another prospect, ready years away, like a hole in the head. What we need are on roster upgrades, like Duchene over Turris.
The last point that doesn't seem to matter to many folks is how happy the team was that the GM went out and made moves to help them make the playoffs and be successful in them. The prospect and pick fans miss the fact that the guys on the team don't care about that as much as winning now. The guys were in a good spot and wanted to make a run for it. The GM decided to support that and bring in some depth and support AND IT WORKED. You think because they didn't win the cup that it was a failure, but I'd bet money that no-one in the organization thinks that, and definitely not the players. To your futures point, PD did all that without giving up a single top asset. Not one.
I'm not going to wade into the EK trade stuff, so much that goes around this site is rumours and conjecture. That of course is part of what this site is, but I'm not about to include it in my feeling towards management. If an involved party comes out and says something, I'll add it to the fact base. EK plays for us, both sides have indicated that they want him to stay.
There's a lot of stuff you wouldn't do in my place, but then again you wouldn't know what to do if suddenly saw things through my eyes. I feel like a pretty even keel fan who enjoys the Sens. I don't go out my way to make up or believe rumours and speculation, and I try not to get caught up in all of the hindsight, the woulda's, coulda's, and shoulda's. It seems the make me unpopular around here with the most frequent posters, but such is life. I don't need to prove my perspective to you, those who choose to see things the way you do have already cast their die.
Perhaps just understand that some fans view things differently, or take different pleasures from the entertainment. Case in point, last years run was a lucky failure to you, while it was one of my favourite fan experiences that came up a bit short. In truth, this team has given us three excellent stretch drives in the recent past that have been more exciting that almost anything else other teams have had to offer their fan bases. Call me crazy and move on.