Couldn't agree more. And even if Frk couldn't have been part of a trade to get something better returned (e.g. Smith + Frk returning a 2nd instead of Smith alone returning a 3rd), but even if Frk isn't involved in a trade, and someone like Tatar is, then you can move more people up the depth chart and actually have the chance to see some competition between Pulkkinen and Frk for a 9-10 forward spot.
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Couldn't agree more. And even if Frk couldn't have been part of a trade to get something better returned (e.g. Smith + Frk returning a 2nd instead of Smith alone returning a 3rd), but even if Frk isn't involved in a trade, and someone like Tatar is, then you can move more people up the depth chart and actually have the chance to see some competition between Pulkkinen and Frk for a 9-10 forward spot.
Because, in my mind, those were the two players who were going to get waived who were most likely to get picked up. I feel like Pulk had has chance. He has a decent shot, but he's (in my opinion) useless otherwise. Frk has a good shot, and some ability to play when he's not shooting. All that considered, I'd have rather given Frk a go, knowing that neither is likely to be a top 6 guy, or more than a role player, in the future. But what really irks me about it, is that Frk absolutely outplayed Pulk, but we kept the 'vet'. It's not surprising, but it gives lie to everything the organization says about earning spots.
That said, the best case with either of them would've been to not let it get to the point that we're waiving them and losing them for nothing. Even a late round pick is a chance to throw a dart at the board.
I cut the rest, as I completely agree with it.
This. He honestly looked better than Pulk in every aspect and it wasn't even close IMO. Pulk really hasn't proved a darn thing, and he's had his chance, Frk never got his chance when he deserved it.
If we waived Pulkkinen instead of Frk, Frk would be sitting on the bench or getting 6-7 minutes a night as the 12th forward getting off-shift minutes with random lines, just like Pulkkinen will be. Neither Frk nor Pulkkinen is going to find themselves skating with talented players for an extended period of time if key, LTIR injuries occur - management will call up Athanasiou before they promote Pulkkinen/Frk up the lineup for an extended period of time (because, regardless of what they spew to the media, they know Athanasiou is our best option in that scenario).
Neither Frk nor Pulkkinen is going to look good or improve under these circumstances, nor any other borderline players like them. So, in my mind, its pointless to complain about the name on the back of the jersey when the problem is organizational.
But you can't say how well Frk would perform because he never even got a chance. Pulkinnen was picked over him for what reason? He deserved a chance. Instead Kenny just gave him away for nothing and kept a guy who we know kind of stinks.
Ennui
I like our team?
Not that I have any delusions about their comparative value or ability, and I'm aware that we moved Frk onto wavers before the injury, but wouldn't Frk have been an attractive emergency substitute for Huberdau? I would have hoped that, given the massive glut of forwards and forward prospects we have, we could have worked out some kind of deal that would have been worth pulling the trigger on.
So instead of getting something back for a prospect Holland decides it's a better idea to lose him for nothing.
Frk claimed
Pulkkinen will not get another contract and will leave for nothing
Two prospects which could've been used at some point to sweeten a trade
Our asset managment is poor, and Holland is driving this team into the ****ing ground
Frk claimed
Pulkkinen will not get another contract and will leave for nothing
Two prospects which could've been used at some point to sweeten a trade
Our asset managment is poor, and Holland is driving this team into the ****ing ground
Obe2kenobe
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True, he didn't get much of a chance. Pulkkinen was probably kept most likely for his scoring ability he showed in the AHL and hope he develops the same ability in the NHL. I personally would like to have seen Helm, Miller or Ott not signed so there would have been room for some of these young fellas.
Good luck to Frk. Hope he shows KH he made a mistake.
HIFE
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It wasn't very long ago where people were getting really upset over Pulkinnen being scratched, underutilized, etc. Now, people are upset he's making the team. Weird. This fanbase is so bizarre.
There's no reason why this had to happen. Miller could have likely cleared waivers and also may have been an easy call up when injuries happened. If 3+ teams put in a claim for Frk, odds are Holland could have acquired something for him. It's just unfortunate he doesn't try harder to make something happen.
There's no reason why this had to happen. Miller could have likely cleared waivers and also may have been an easy call up when injuries happened. If 3+ teams put in a claim for Frk, odds are Holland could have acquired something for him. It's just unfortunate he doesn't try harder to make something happen.
He hasn't showed it up here at all though. How many crappy PP shots have we seen out of him? Or how many crappy passes or pucks thrown to an area because he gets nervous with slight pressure, he isn't good enough to stickhandle out of it either.
Frk started to score PLENTY in the AHL, and he looked much much better in the NHL preseason than I've seen Pulk ever look. I truly think it is because Holland feels bad for Pulkinnen. Injuries have been hard on him and he has had so much success in the AHL and can't do it here, Kenny feels bad for the kid. It's pity. And the reality of it is that Pulkinnen doesn't make us a better team, and Holland is in denial. Frk getting a chance with us >>>> keeping Pulkinnen in terms of possible rewards.
Ott was possibly the best signing this offseason. Everyone was hating on him but he has looked great. He has better passing skills than anyone gives him credit for, he is a GREAT guy in the locker room and community, and he takes almost zero cap space. He also PKs and is a career face-off guy over 55%. Ott is NOT here for a role that Pulk or Frk would be in, so I think that is a bad comparison. He also has great chemistry with Glenny and gives our team a bit of an identity to play with an edge and a guy who absolutely hates to lose. When was the last time we had a player who shows emotion and helps give our team a bit of an identity, or at least our fourth line? It's been a LONG time.
Frk should be in over Pulk. And if he isn't going to be in the lineup, then you should keep him to make a trade. Helm and Miller should not have been re-signed. Ericsson needs to GTFO. We need another good defenseman. Holland has screwed up a ton this offseason.
muchbetterthanlada
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While I like Frk and wish they would have kept him over guys like Miller and Ott, I'm happy they waived him before Pulks.
here's another reason:
Pulkkinen produced at more than twice the rate in the AHL.
Frk- 149GP 36G 32A 068P 127PIM -12 |PO: 1G
Pulk 119GP 65G 56A 121P 066PIM +18 |PO: 22G
I have no idea how the Pulkkinen haters club got such a high membership on this forum, but I think it's very evident that the man has done a lot more than Frk to earn a spot on our nhl roster.
Do you guys honestly feel that 3 preseason games should count for more than 3 years of play in the AHL? even when one of the two players just recently started skating after offseason surgery...?
Good luck to Frk. I agree that it would have been nice to see him get a few games for the Wings.
FireHolland said:
here's another reason:
Pulkkinen produced at more than twice the rate in the AHL.
Frk- 149GP 36G 32A 068P 127PIM -12 |PO: 1G
Pulk 119GP 65G 56A 121P 066PIM +18 |PO: 22G
I have no idea how the Pulkkinen haters club got such a high membership on this forum, but I think it's very evident that the man has done a lot more than Frk to earn a spot on our nhl roster.
Do you guys honestly feel that 3 preseason games should count for more than 3 years of play in the AHL? even when one of the two players just recently started skating after offseason surgery...?
Good luck to Frk. I agree that it would have been nice to see him get a few games for the Wings.
I hate Kenny even more than I thought already possible. Not just about this but we have a nice collection of some of the worst players in the NHL, Ott, Vitale, Miller. Glendenning makes Abdelkador completely obsolete. Total salary of 8mill right there, we cut that fat out and no one would blink because total that gets you 20 goals in a good year and minimal anything else other than subpar guys taking valuable ice time away from a guy like AA. With that and you could sign a superstar, unbeleiveable. The greatest move this organization can make at this point is dumping Kenny, been saying it for years.
HIFE
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"Asset" management? Now that is a joke. Ferraro, Frk, and Jensen are somehow "assets" with any real value? They are Red Wings busts nothing more. Carolina can have all our waiver fodder they are an NHL **** show comedy act.
Hopefully the trend of 2nd round busts is ending as the change of philosophy of our drafting/scouting a few seasons ago reaps benefits.
Pavels Dog
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Oh great, another player we have to hear complaining about for 10 years because he scores a few goals for another team.
Can't say Carolina is building an intimidating team out of our waiver fodder. But hope Frk can do okay.
Can't say Carolina is building an intimidating team out of our waiver fodder. But hope Frk can do okay.
WingedWheel1987
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Frk more than likely has no future in the NHL, but Pulk definitely has no future in the NHL.
Another wasted draft pick
Another wasted draft pick
Obe2kenobe
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Pulkkinen was doing ok before his shoulder injury. He has similar numbers to Tomas Holmstrom's first few years. Hopefully he develops into a pp specialist like him. I agree Ericsson needs to go. The little preseason games I have watched he looks bad. Aa and Mantha " have to do better" Blash says,while they look fine. Why doesn't that apply to guys like Ericsson?
HIFE
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I want to say I don't mean to trash Frk. He has speed, quickness, a great one timer. Could he steal say Miller's spot on the team if given the space? Possibly. I'm very glad I got to see the man and hope he carves out an NHL career.
Eh, that's a fair point. I guess I'm just sick of the double speak and BS about making the roster. This was just a clear case that it wasn't about play in the NHL, and it wasn't about play in the preseason. I don't think losing Frk hurts the team, just like I don't think losing Pulk would hurt the team, though it is appalling to lose another player someone else apparently wanted for nothing.
BinCookin
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This is basically what I came to post.
Especially the 3 preseason games thing.
I mean in the end, this is GREAT news for FRK. He is an NHL player now. Lets be honest. Who here wanted FRK on the team more than Mantha//AA. Because there just are not 3-4 spots open every year.
Complain about all those signings if you wish. Vanek looks great out there. So does Neilsen. I think you may all be very surprised at how much better our team is this year....
And if I am wrong... You win, and the rebuild begins.
HIFE
Registered User
Now this is a more valid question/topic: Why so many of our draft picks fail?
Heaton
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Poor decision making by management, poor developing. I think there's a lot of players on a lot of teams who may have been good NHL players but never got an opportunity or were able to find the right spot. But the Wings find a lot of marginal players in the draft, the Wings brass aren't very good at finding top line players these days. Almost 20 years ago since the scouting department has really found a great player.
