Free Agent/Trades 2015: Offer Sheets, Buyouts, Terminations & Free Agency
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dubplatepressure
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not from me he doesn't. BUt I agree - sell this guy while his value is at a high.
If we can get a 2nd rounder for any of the UFA's we picked up I think we are laughing. Depending on the market I think we can get a 2+3rd for Polak if not a late 1st, depending on the market. Phaneuf should get a good prospect + 2nd + Dump, idk if we trade him either though. Lupul if healthy could get a 1st round pick, but injury problems will plague him. Bozak should get a 2nd ASAP, people will see he is a 3rd liner very shortly.
Also, not sure why everyone says don't trade JVR, he is on a sweetheart deal, big, top 6 winger. I think teams would be lining up to get him, he would be someone I would be looking to move ASAP, something like a 1st + A prospect ( JVR has almost as much if not more value than kessel imo because of his contract)
Also, not sure why everyone says don't trade JVR, he is on a sweetheart deal, big, top 6 winger. I think teams would be lining up to get him, he would be someone I would be looking to move ASAP, something like a 1st + A prospect ( JVR has almost as much if not more value than kessel imo because of his contract)
Too high for pretty much everyone on your list even if they had career years.
1st rounders for Bozak and Lupul???
I would trade anyone if the right deal was offered, other than the obvious like Reilly, Nylander and Marner.
I also think it makes sense to hold onto both Kadri and Gardiner in the hope they really take a step forward this term. Even if you decide to move them, need to increase market value.
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A 1st for Bozak is not ridiculous, and if Lupul comes back to have a healthy productive season, that's not out there either. Otherwise, barring they have seasons that closely match their career average, that's probably what they can fetch.
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Erndog
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Montreal couldn't get a draft pick for Parenteau (with 1 year left at $4M), hence they bought him out.
Florida couldn't get a draft pick back for Boyes (with 1 year left at around $2.35M), hence they bought him out.
There is no way on this green earth that we are getting a first rounder back for Lupul during this current contract. Even next summer, he will have 2 years and $5.25M left. NOT A CHANCE even with a healthy and productive season we get anything that valuable. At best, we are getting a camp dump and B level prospect (or draft pick). At best.
These last 2 free agency periods haven't taught people anything yet.
Florida couldn't get a draft pick back for Boyes (with 1 year left at around $2.35M), hence they bought him out.
There is no way on this green earth that we are getting a first rounder back for Lupul during this current contract. Even next summer, he will have 2 years and $5.25M left. NOT A CHANCE even with a healthy and productive season we get anything that valuable. At best, we are getting a camp dump and B level prospect (or draft pick). At best.
These last 2 free agency periods haven't taught people anything yet.
SprDaVE
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Uh? We have 48 contracts. Donaghey is the only one that will be back in the CHL. Johnson's contract likely doesn't count because he's going back to Sweden to finish his SHL deal (he's not on loan). If a player goes back for his overage year, which is possible, then it gets removed from the contract list.
We have 46 contracts if Kapanen and Nylander's contracts don't count (slide rule)... but I'm fairly certain they do.
http://capfriendly.com/?p=team-cap&team=Toronto Maple Leafs
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He would have to have a good season.
his value is too low right now, but he had a 60+ point season last year and almost netted us Tyler Toffoli from LA according to analysts(they opted to trade for gaborik instead).
Hes not going anywhere unless he stays relatively healthy and plays at a 50+ point pace.
likely he goes next season, as his salary will be lower and he still has alot of skill.
Guy Boucher
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They won't be dealing Phaneuf or Bozak.
Lupul maybe.
As for the 1-year guys, they're all on the block, for sure. But I think it's ambitious to hope for anything better than a 3rd for any of them.
Arcobello I doubt gets more than a 5th, unless he performs miraculously.
Parenteau already has some bad history now, under performing for the Habs. Even if he has a 25-30 goal season for the Leafs, I would be very surprised to see him fetch a 2nd round pick.
Matthias is a question mark but if he plays well in the top 6 I'm not sure this is necessarily a guy the Leafs will trade, unless it's in a Winnik fashion to get him back as a UFA.
Lupul maybe.
As for the 1-year guys, they're all on the block, for sure. But I think it's ambitious to hope for anything better than a 3rd for any of them.
Arcobello I doubt gets more than a 5th, unless he performs miraculously.
Parenteau already has some bad history now, under performing for the Habs. Even if he has a 25-30 goal season for the Leafs, I would be very surprised to see him fetch a 2nd round pick.
Matthias is a question mark but if he plays well in the top 6 I'm not sure this is necessarily a guy the Leafs will trade, unless it's in a Winnik fashion to get him back as a UFA.
Magic Man
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They have 50 total contracts, assuming Beck and Bernier sign.
Donaghey will go back to junior and not affect the limit. Down to 49.
Kapanen and Nylander's contracts will slide, but still affect the limit. Horton affects the limit on LTIR. Atleast, that's the way it seemed to play out last season.
Andreas Johnson will likely lose a year off his ELC, like Granberg and Nilsson before him by going back to Sweden. I'm not sure if he would affect the limit. It's also still possible he stays in NA like Loov and Nylander who were under contract in Sweden and decided to stay/come back. So, 48 or 49 contracts depending on Johnson is the way I see it right now.
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Nathan Horton
Joffrey Lupul
James van Riemsdyk
Tyler Bozak
Nazem Kadri
Leo Komarov
Shawn Matthias
Daniel Winnik
Nick Spaling
P-Alexandre Parenteau
Mark Arcobello
Richard Panik
Matt Frattin
Peter Holland
Taylor Beck
Dion Phaneuf
Jake Gardiner
Stephane Robidas
Roman Polak
Matt Hunwick
Morgan Rielly
Martin Marincin
TJ Brennan
James Reimer
Jonathan Bernier
Casey Bailey
Zach Hyman
Kasperi Kapanen
William Nylander
Frederik Gauthier
Stuart Percy
Matthew Finn
Tom Nilsson
Josh Leivo
Carter Verhaeghe
Rinat Valiev
Andreas Johnson
Nikita Soshnikov
Viktor Loov
Connor Brown
Garret Sparks
Antoine Bibeau
Brendan Leipsic
Christopher Gibson
Ryan Rupert
Cory Donaghey
Petter Granberg
Sam Carrick
Scott Harrington
Byron Froese
You're right. I forgot to add Beck.
They have 50 total contracts. Without Donaghey and Johnson, they are at 48. Without Nylander and Kapanen, they are at 46. I'm not sure if the latter 2 count... the rules are a little grey there, but I believe they count like you said because I remember that Nylanders contract counted last year, so Kapanen should as well.
So with every thing said, we are at 48 contracts.
HoweHullOrr
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LOL. Apparently not.
Lupul nets us a 1st rounder? They would have snapped that up a long time ago. Bozak a 1st? Not likely.
Parenteau for a 2nd & 3rd? Montreal couldn't get any kind of pick for him and bought him out.
Frattin & Brennan return other AHL players.
Reimer, more like a 3rd.
People are going to be disappointed if they are expecting big returns for a lot of these players.
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Nylander and Kapanens contract slide.
Just like last year.
They won't start until next year. Unless they play the required NHL games.
Seriously, not that hard folks.
They won't count against the contract limit, as since their contract slide show, there is no contract to fill the void.
However, Dubas and Co may leave their contract spots empty, in case they get called up.
Just like last year.
They won't start until next year. Unless they play the required NHL games.
Seriously, not that hard folks.
They won't count against the contract limit, as since their contract slide show, there is no contract to fill the void.
However, Dubas and Co may leave their contract spots empty, in case they get called up.
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CapsYeti12
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what would you take from Caps for JVR and Bozak? is this proposal possible for you...
JVR + Bozak <-> Johansson + Laich + Orlov + Carrick + 1st round 2016
JVR + Bozak <-> Johansson + Laich + Orlov + Carrick + 1st round 2016
Magic Man
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Last year around the deadline, after he came to Toronto. The Leafs had said they were at the 50 contract limit. The only way that would have been possible would have been if Nylander counted against the limit. That's what we're basing it off. I googled it and it was discussed in the thread below. There is a Mirtle tweet confirming them being at 50 contracts in their as well.
http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=2455.90
It won't burn a year, though.
Edit - I did some more googling and found an old HF thread about Granberg signing his ELC. Post #85 could be helpful with Andreas Johnson. He won't count against the limit, unless he stays in Toronto. But, he will burn a year.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1195757&page=4
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That actually makes sense. They'd need to count against the contract limit because they're available to be called up at any time. I'm not sure why I never thought of that. So they would count against the contract limit, but not burn a year of their contracts.
The total value there is great, but it's spread thin and we might not actually get much out of that package when you look back a few years later.
Need fewer, but better pieces for JVR. Think more like 1st + a top prospect. We want a piece or two that will really help push the rebuild forward, not a bunch of guys to give our rebuilding team useless depth.
bobermay
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Not bad, but too many contracts coming Toronto's way....
Probably need more Quality than Quantity.
Drew75
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That's not an insulting offer by any means, but from the Leafs POV I think we'd hope to get a future-oriented return with more upside than that (i.e. a 1st + good prospect, especially if the 1st is late).
There's less of an incentive for the Leafs to move JVR than there was with Kessel, so a team would really have to make Shanny/Dubas/Hunter stop and think before the ball would ever get rolling on a trade, I think. It's not a situation where they're trying to move him.
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