Speculation: Free Agent FRENZY! Part IV Trade and proposals

[jmart21]

Even if Lupul gets hurt, we have the depth to at least move a suitable replacement up, even if that person doesnt score as much as Lupul...


JVR-Bozak-Kessel,
Kulemin-Kadri-Clarkson

Still does not look that horrendous, even though it certainly not optimal. We would have killed for this a couple seasons ago, and now its our back up plan.

And if Bozak is playing poorly, then I think at some point we have the option to move Colborne up for a stint as well. Options ...

Why do we think Bozak is going to play poorly?

 

[KlattNazty]

Why do we think Bozak is going to play poorly?

I dont, I am simply saying that a lot of people believe we have no options but IMO we do between Bolland and Colborne.

 

[jmart21]

I dont, I am simply saying that a lot of people believe we have no options but IMO we do between Bolland and Colborne.

I don't think you'll be seeing Bolland or Colbourne on the top line anytime soon.

Bozak will do fine; he'll have a good year with his typical (good) production yet still get grilled out for "not being a true No1 C".

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Bozak on the first line makes gives us 2 threatening scoring lines
I like it
Lupul- Kadri was pretty good last year
JVR and Kessel have crazy amounts of skill, hopefully they can become less streaky

 

[jmart21]

Bozak on the first line makes gives us 2 threatening scoring lines
I like it
Lupul- Kadri was pretty good last year
JVR and Kessel have crazy amounts of skill, hopefully they can become less streaky

We've got an excellent top 6; I am very excited.

1. JVR-Bozak-Kessel
What can you say; it's got Kessel on it. A PPG+ sniper paired up with 2 50pt guys that have complimentary skillsets; on can drive the next and cash in, the other plays finesse 2-way game. No limit to the ways this line can beat you.

2. Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
Lupul and Kadri did great together last year. Kadri seems to do good with guys like Lupul that are strong on their skates and with the puck to clean up and fight to free the puck (not that Kadri can't either). The addition of Clarkson just makes the line even harder to play against and makes them even more of a scoring threat.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

We've got an excellent top 6; I am very excited.

1. JVR-Bozak-Kessel
What can you say; it's got Kessel on it. A PPG+ sniper paired up with 2 50pt guys that have complimentary skillsets; on can drive the next and cash in, the other plays finesse 2-way game. No limit to the ways this line can beat you.

2. Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
Lupul and Kadri did great together last year. Kadri seems to do good with guys like Lupul that are strong on their skates and with the puck to clean up and fight to free the puck (not that Kadri can't either). The addition of Clarkson just makes the line even harder to play against and makes them even more of a scoring threat.

If Kadri was able to score and do well with Orr on his line, imagine how well he can do with Clarkson.

 

[jmart21]

If Kadri was able to score and do well with Orr on his line, imagine how well he can do with Clarkson.

Exactly.

Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson will be a very, very tough line to play against. All three are extremely physical, with offensive skill.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Exactly.

Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson will be a very, very tough line to play against. All three are extremely physical, with offensive skill.

It also keeps Lupul out of the way of Dion's slapshots, that'll be Clarkson's forte now I'd assume.

 

[Ruski]

Could the Ducks get in on Liles and help us out again?

With Souray down for 4-6 months and his ~$3.7Mil contract off the books until he returns, that gives the Ducks upward of $8 Mil in available cap space.

IMO its worth atleast to pickup the phone and call Anaheim to see if they are interested.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Could the Ducks get in on Liles and help us out again?

With Souray down for 4-6 months and his ~$3.7Mil contract off the books until he returns, that gives the Ducks upward of $8 Mil in available cap space.

IMO its worth atleast to pickup the phone and call Anaheim to see if they are interested.

The Ducks have never been a team that spends to the cap. Making the playoffs is a full 82 game grind and losing Souray is a huge blow.

I wonder if insurance doesn't pay for Souray's contract (like Lombardi's wasn't picked up by insurance because of pre-existing condition)

If insurance doesn't pay for Souray a deal around Liles straight up for Souray who they really could use for the first 4-6 months of this season could make sense for both teams.

Liles helps the Ducks all season and makes about the same as Souray. Ducks get out from paying a player to not play for the majority of the season.

Leafs get the cap room they need for Franson/Kadri and can easily afford to have Souray sit on the sidelines till later in the season and he'll coming back just as we need him most down the stretch drive.

 

[LV*]

Could the Ducks get in on Liles and help us out again?

With Souray down for 4-6 months and his ~$3.7Mil contract off the books until he returns, that gives the Ducks upward of $8 Mil in available cap space.

IMO its worth atleast to pickup the phone and call Anaheim to see if they are interested.

They just signed Fistric for 900k...

 

[AlbertaLeafFan31]

Would Franson to Anaheim be something. Souray and Franson play somewhat same game. Maybe Devante Smith Pelly and second? Then sign Kadri 2 year at 2.8 million per year. Then sign Hainsey/Gilbert at 1 million per year and then maybe Morrow/Raymond at one million per year. That would be our 4.8 million cap space.

 

[Ruski]

They just signed Fistric for 900k...

ya...so what? bottom pairing signing at best.

Look at their D...their Top 6 is abysmal. Outside of any "internal salary cap" that they operate under and none of us know about, it seems like a pretty logical move for them to look for a veteran player to replace Souray at least on a part-time basis.

The only real issue I see here is the fact that Liles has several years left on his deal so Anaheim would be committing to something longer than the like potentially.

Not sure about insurance with Souray (although its rare that teams don't get insurance on these contracts). Obviously we could afford to take on that deal even if it has no insurance behind it....but at 4-6months we are talking maybe ~$2mil or so. Can't see Anaheim panicking because of that to be honest.

Maybe we can offer Liles + pick for a Prospect? I wouldn't mind grabbing Holland or someone else to bolster our prospect pool. Looking at Aneheim though their pool is pretty weak too...

 

[Yeaoh]

Looking at Aneheim though their pool is pretty weak too...

Agree to disagree. We are quite happy with our prospect pool.

Anyway I am certain there will be no trade with Toronto regarding Liles. The Ducks have space yes, but our GM doesn't like to be up to the cap, preferes some leeway. Aside from that we just signed Fistric, have Vatanen and Lindholm who can jump in and Souray will be back in 6 months max anway. No need for a panic trade which hurts our cap situation for next year.

I wouldn't be worried about Kadri and Franson, I am sure Kadri will sign a bridge deal as summer closes. He hasn't really shown enough to qualify for a big deal yet. He played well las year true, but the season was a short one. Same holds true for Franson. For him maybe just a 1 year deal.

 

[Cor]

Not sure if Franson is interested in a 1 year deal again

 

[Deebo]

ya...so what? bottom pairing signing at best.

Look at their D...their Top 6 is abysmal. Outside of any "internal salary cap" that they operate under and none of us know about, it seems like a pretty logical move for them to look for a veteran player to replace Souray at least on a part-time basis.

The only real issue I see here is the fact that Liles has several years left on his deal so Anaheim would be committing to something longer than the like potentially.

Not sure about insurance with Souray (although its rare that teams don't get insurance on these contracts). Obviously we could afford to take on that deal even if it has no insurance behind it....but at 4-6months we are talking maybe ~$2mil or so. Can't see Anaheim panicking because of that to be honest.

Maybe we can offer Liles + pick for a Prospect? I wouldn't mind grabbing Holland or someone else to bolster our prospect pool. Looking at Aneheim though their pool is pretty weak too...

I hear Beauchemin is questionable for the start of the season too.

 

[Ruski]

Agree to disagree. We are quite happy with our prospect pool.

Anyway I am certain there will be no trade with Toronto regarding Liles. The Ducks have space yes, but our GM doesn't like to be up to the cap, preferes some leeway. Aside from that we just signed Fistric, have Vatanen and Lindholm who can jump in and Souray will be back in 6 months max anway. No need for a panic trade which hurts our cap situation for next year.

I wouldn't be worried about Kadri and Franson, I am sure Kadri will sign a bridge deal as summer closes. He hasn't really shown enough to qualify for a big deal yet. He played well las year true, but the season was a short one. Same holds true for Franson. For him maybe just a 1 year deal.

Fair enough...don't know enough about Anaheim's situation so was just hypothesizing.

I am actually a fan of Liles, he didn't really get a chance to play much last year, but when he did, he was doing alright! Imagine sitting for half the year and being asked to jump into the lineup come playoffs so from my standpoint i like the guy.

Problem is that with our apparent glut of D, plus Rielly knocking on the door, its hard to see how he fits into a shrunken capspace with so many UFAs to resign next year.

My hope is that if we can't find a fair deal before camp, we play him a lot to start the year and wait until someone calls us. Great 2nd pairing D with good passing and vision IMHO.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

The Anaheim situation is interesting. Franson and Souray are very much the same player. I believe that with Souray's age, they could afford to give Franson a longer term contract with him taking Souray's place in the near future.

The player that I'd be most interested in from Anaheim would be Emerson Etem. It definitely would take more than Franson, but I think if we added a guy like Colborne we could get it done.

To Anaheim:
Rights to Franson
Joe Colborne

To Toronto:
Emerson Etem

Sign Kadri to a 3 million/year for two years "bridge contract", and sign a guy like Tom Gilbert 2 million for one year to fill in for the loss of Franson.



CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Emerson Etem ($0.870m)
Tyler Biggs ($1.107m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Tom Gilbert ($2.000m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Paul Ranger ($1.000m)
Mark Fraser ($1.275m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,743,333; BONUSES: $512,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $69,167

 

[Ruski]

The Anaheim situation is interesting. Franson and Souray are very much the same player. I believe that with Souray's age, they could afford to give Franson a longer term contract with him taking Souray's place in the near future.

The player that I'd be most interested in from Anaheim would be Emerson Etem. It definitely would take more than Franson, but I think if we added a guy like Colborne we could get it done.

To Anaheim:
Rights to Franson
Joe Colborne

To Toronto:
Emerson Etem

Sign Kadri to a 3 million/year for two years "bridge contract", and sign a guy like Tom Gilbert 2 million for one year to fill in for the loss of Franson.



CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Emerson Etem ($0.870m)
Tyler Biggs ($1.107m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Tom Gilbert ($2.000m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Paul Ranger ($1.000m)
Mark Fraser ($1.275m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,743,333; BONUSES: $512,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $69,167

I like the idea but not at that cost. Why is Etem worth so much? Franson has NHL experience and has proven to be a servicable player at worst or a growing Top Pair D at best. Etem seems to have loads of talent but nothing proven.

Another issue is that Leafs are hurting for high-end Center talent and trading Colbourne (although not really high-end at this point) for another winger might be a bit short-sighted.

May a straight up trade Franson for Etem but nothing more.

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't think Anaheim wants to trade with us again. Ever.

 

[Deebo]

I don't think Anaheim wants to trade with us again. Ever.

They have since the Lupul trade.. we sent them Steckel

And I don't think the ducks or their fans view the Lupul trade as one-sided as some Leaf fans do:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=89417

 

[bansheebeat]

Can we please stop throwing Colborne into trades as though he was a worthless piece? 6'5 ppg AHL centers with a 50-60-point 2-way ceiling shouldn't be just thrown around like table scraps.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Can we please stop throwing Colborne into trades as though he was a worthless piece? 6'5 ppg AHL centers with a 50-60-point 2-way ceiling shouldn't be just thrown around like table scraps.

With Bolland and McClement set to be UFAs and Gauthier a few years away from being ready I also think Colborne has a lot of value to us.

 

[member 147413]

Can we please stop throwing Colborne into trades as though he was a worthless piece? 6'5 ppg AHL centers with a 50-60-point 2-way ceiling shouldn't be just thrown around like table scraps.

I agree, I think some people will be surprised. He played injured quite a bit which hurts his numbers, but like you said when he's healthy he's close to a PPG.

 

[Deebo]

Can we please stop throwing Colborne into trades as though he was a worthless piece? 6'5 ppg AHL centers with a 50-60-point 2-way ceiling shouldn't be just thrown around like table scraps.

He isn't a PPG centre in the AHL.

0.59 career AHL PPG and 0.65 in his latest season.