saffronleaf
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Ok but with Andersen in net, I highly doubt we ever win a round in the playoffs.
I'd trade Freddy and pick up a young goaltender like Georgiev to do a tandem with Campbell or sign a UFA goaltender.
Speculation: Freddy Andersens worth in trade?
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Ok but with Andersen in net, I highly doubt we ever win a round in the playoffs.
I'd trade Freddy and pick up a young goaltender like Georgiev to do a tandem with Campbell or sign a UFA goaltender.
Wafflewhipper
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Lehner signing for $5,000,000 changes things. Andersen can take the same contract with us and we keep him. He’s no better or worse than Lehner. Now Dubas has a comparable to extend him with. Give him the front load with limited NTC and its best to keep him.
saffronleaf
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He's not good enough when it matters. Would rather go with a young, cost-effective tandem in net.
Stephen
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Reported that Toronto and Carolina were talking Freddie Andersen but the Leafs asked for Dougie Hamilton and that was a no-go.
saffronleaf
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Kind of makes sense. We probably need to add to get Hamilton. But in both cases there's 1 year left on the deal so it shouldn't be a lot more.
Stephen
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Yeah. The way I see it, the value is close between two pending UFAs, but the $1 million in real salary that's owed to Andersen is real value for a mom and pop owner. If they want to turn up their noses at that, whatever. Maybe we just sign Hamilton next offseason.
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for now it is.
Apparently wants to Wait to see what Petro gets to use as a base for an extension. IF that’s a no go I can see a Freddie plus for Hamilton.
in a pandemic the canes would be saving 5 million. That’s worth a fair bit.
Stephen
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Hmm, that complicates things if we end up signing Pietrangelo, which would eliminate the need for a Hamilton trade altogether.
yep. I think that was the earlier talks. Petro complicates things. My guess is
1.) we talk to Petro if he gets there. If he goes with us we trade Freddie and pick up a cheaper goalie.
2.) if he says no. Then we look at tanev/demelo/Brodie.
3.) we circle back on trades like Hamilton.
I want them to just offer sheet cernak and call it a day. But it seems like we are going a different route
Let's the league know Andersson is available.
Also let's them know the price is not low. But anyone gets a "deal" for something less than Hamilton.
Also let's them know the price is not low. But anyone gets a "deal" for something less than Hamilton.
Anderson body language is really bad after he lets in a bad goal. His overall body language is bad, like he is about to snap or is holding in some anger. U can tell he is rattled at times and hiding it with a poker face. So why would a GM give up something that would help the Leafs for him? The 5 million cap hit and 1 million in real money seems to be the biggest asset in getting Anderson now especially given how teams have lost money during this time.
The Iceman
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Fun with numbers.
Most everyone agrees Carey Price was great in this years playoffs. Save % .936 shows this is correct.
Most everyone agrees Khudobin was great in this years playoffs
.907 save% for his first 2 rounds and .910 in the finals. HMMMMM
MANY were not happy with Freddy's playoff and he was .936
Just saying...
Most everyone agrees Carey Price was great in this years playoffs. Save % .936 shows this is correct.
Most everyone agrees Khudobin was great in this years playoffs
.907 save% for his first 2 rounds and .910 in the finals. HMMMMM
MANY were not happy with Freddy's playoff and he was .936
Just saying...
I hate the idea of Lundqvist here because I simply don't think he's good anymore, but I'm still mildly intrigued. Has to be the Belfour effect.
I don't think most everyone agrees that Khudobin was "great" in the playoffs (he had a 0.917 BTW), but there are some differences here:
Price: Faced the 7th and 10th highest scoring teams. Team in front got outplayed, and put up below average defensive results.
Khudobin: Faced the 1st, 3rd, 13th, and 20th highest scoring teams. Team in front got outplayed, and put up bad defensive results.
Andersen: Faced the 28th highest scoring team. Team in front outplayed the opposition, and put up above average defensive results.
Also, when you look further into the numbers, Andersen's weakness relative to his peers was on low percentage shots, which matches the eye test, and can be really damaging in a playoff series. It's not that Andersen was bad, but he's never really shown an ability to steal games, and that's a bit concerning considering that pretty much all successful teams have goalies that do that occasionally in the playoffs, and we faced a goalie that did.
Watch goals against ... did you see Price give up 3-4 house league goals? did you see Khudobiin give up 3-4 house league goals? Forget about tips/screens but pure bad goals on weak shots from bad spots where goalie could see puck clear. Those are back breaking goals against. Yes he makes some real nice 10 bellers. But his issue is too many house league goals at worst times. 0 for 8 when it counts. Says it all.
Cotton
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Andersen has poor spells of play, last season in particular, in spite of that he’s been more or less stellar while netminding behind a run and gun system with below average defensive play.
Fact is, not only is there no realistic upgrade available, but by-the-numbers he’s been better for us than Cujo was behind a stronger team. The ultra fan-favourite Cujo.
Freddy, who played 26 less game as a Leaf than Cujo, has faced 541 more shots over their Leafs careers ... he made exactly 541 more saves.
Why it’s apparent that Freddy isn’t the problem is because behind a team with better D (and team D) he shared a Jennings trophy and posted GAA’s of 2.29, 2.38, and 2.30. He also went to the 3rd round as a starter for Anaheim.
Feels like one of those situations where we get rid of a player and he becomes an important piece on a better team who contends for hardware and the Cup every year.
Fact is, not only is there no realistic upgrade available, but by-the-numbers he’s been better for us than Cujo was behind a stronger team. The ultra fan-favourite Cujo.
Freddy, who played 26 less game as a Leaf than Cujo, has faced 541 more shots over their Leafs careers ... he made exactly 541 more saves.
Why it’s apparent that Freddy isn’t the problem is because behind a team with better D (and team D) he shared a Jennings trophy and posted GAA’s of 2.29, 2.38, and 2.30. He also went to the 3rd round as a starter for Anaheim.
Feels like one of those situations where we get rid of a player and he becomes an important piece on a better team who contends for hardware and the Cup every year.
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Why Lehner had more playoff wins in the last 4 years than Andersen.
Andersen should get less.
trellaine201
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Looks like all the Freddy haters will be upset
Sure sounds like he’s staying.
Sure sounds like he’s staying.
His worst numbers are against us so either that would be great because he'll play well against everybody else, or he'll stink it up in our building so badly that we'll run him out in 20 games lol
Honestly though he's not a terrible option but there are a bunch of better ones out there that I hope we go after first.
