Confirmed with Link: Francis out as GM - Don Waddell named GM 5/8/18

[Navin R Slavin]

That much has been literally obvious since the beginning. It's just a bunch of round and round and the "press" is conflating the obvious with the absurd.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

That much has been literally obvious since the beginning. It's just a bunch of round and round and the "press" is conflating the obvious with the absurd.

It was obvious from the beginning that Dundon was looking for a puppet GM? Then why did we have so many on here denying that's what he wants when it was first hinted at?

There's enough out there to read between the lines:

1. Dundon admits he doesn't know much about hockey or running a team, but admits to being a "hands on" owner.
2. Dundon says he wants to puts a system in place that leaves very little gray area in decision-making. Everything is black and white (or green and red in his example).
3. Candidates are worried about how much authority they'll have if they take the GM job.

Even if we ignore the 400k rumor, those three things put together paint a worrisome picture.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

It's all rumors. That's the point.

Some plausible. Some possible. Some improbable. Some ludicrous. All being breathlessly reported.

"Worrisome if true!"

Just let it play out. Chrissakes.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The three things I posted there aren't rumors. They're either straight from Dundon's mouth or they're being reported by a trustworthy source.

Unless this is one of those situations where we declare "fake news" because we don't like what's being reported. If it is, let me know.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Taking the leap from what Dundon has said publicly to "he wants a puppet GM and he himself is going to make all the actual decisions despite admittedly knowing f***-all about hockey" is pure speculation. Based on zero actual facts. None.

But hey, enjoy the f***ing circus.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Is it possible Dundon is being vilified here? It sounds like a lot of BS claims with no actual proof, and then I remember Dundon is a meddling outsider, from Texas with zero ties to hockey, and just fired Ron Francis, the ex-star hockey player turned milquetoast GM everyone loves, but isn't threatened by.

 

[cptjeff]

Is it possible Dundon is being vilified here? It sounds like a lot of BS claims with no actual proof, and then I remember Dundon is a meddling outsider, from Texas with zero ties to hockey, and just fired Ron Francis, the ex-star hockey player turned milquetoast GM everyone loves, but isn't threatened by.

Not just possible, but probable, IMO. While I'm sure the reporters here aren't outright lying, I'm sure they're drawing conclusions from the facts that are favorable to their preconceived biases and running on highly unreliable rumors. We've all had enough experience with the hockey media to know that they're wildly biased in certain areas, and that journalistic ethics are close to nonexistent with many hockey reporters and outlets. Until we hear any of this from somebody who actually covers the Canes on any subject other than their impending relocation to Quebec, I'm going to assume it's all bullshit.

 

[bleedgreen]

I really don't like the Friedman quote about the authority issue. I believe that guy. This pretty strongly reinforces the concept that Dundon is attempting to change the GM role. I'm pretty concerned about that.

Vellucci is becoming the obvious choice, and we are really looking like a clown show to everyone else. Whether its backlash to a Texas billionaire firing a good ole Canadian boy or not, we didn't need this on top of sucking.

30 other GM's seem pretty legit in their ability to handle all those tasks assigned to them. Why TD needs to rearrange that, I don't get it. If the salary report is true.....woof.

 

[bleedgreen]

RF stands pat on TDL and TD decides to fire him that week.

I wasn't annoyed at the lack of moves...just think it's a fair theory for why he was fired...at least in part.

I recall you suggesting RF fell on his sword prior to the PR statements about the like-mind war-room.

Maybe those press releases and public comments about agreement were false and just PR damage control. If TD was pissed, is it gonna do anyone any good to be transparent...other than journalists that is.

And my theory about the sword was quickly proven wrong, I said so the same day.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think it's pretty much back to wait and see because there's too much craziness out there to really know what's going on.

 

[go comets]

I really don't like the Friedman quote about the authority issue. I believe that guy. This pretty strongly reinforces the concept that Dundon is attempting to change the GM role. I'm pretty concerned about that.

Vellucci is becoming the obvious choice, and we are really looking like a clown show to everyone else. Whether its backlash to a Texas billionaire firing a good ole Canadian boy or not, we didn't need this on top of sucking.

30 other GM's seem pretty legit in their ability to handle all those tasks assigned to them. Why TD needs to rearrange that, I don't get it. If the salary report is true.....woof.

Well except Jim Benning who is a complete idiot....

 

[go comets]

Well Dundon would know how much Francis was getting paid... So how can he not know what GMs make?? He has people like Wadell to direct him.....

 

[Unsustainable]

Maybe the 400k was for a signing bonus and the remainder of the season?

 

[vorbis]

the story of Dundon wanting to go cheap on a new GM and candidates dropping out because of that revelation just doesn't make any damn sense. he knows what Francis makes, he has Karmanos in his ear for varying degrees of counsel on this subject and others, and he's no stranger to executive salaries in the credit and financial sector.

there may have been something in Dundon's meetings with candidates that threw up red flags, but I doubt wanting to save a few hundred thousand on the most impactful front office position was the thing. hell, claiming a player on waivers alone can cost up to $90k. wanting to pinch pennies here just doesn't have an upside at all.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Money might be an issue in Carolina Hurricanes’ GM search - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Hard to know exactly what to make of this but the growing list of candidates dropping out and the rumoured salary feel rather position are not encouraging.

 

[bleedgreen]

I find that new article interesting in that it says Fenton, Futa and Fitzgerald all already interviewed for the position. Then pulled themselves out of the race. That feeds the rumors of things like pay and duties for sure.

I do believe the timing was poor, who leaves their team right now? Most of these guys are in the middle of a playoff race for their teams. I agree we don’t want to go into free agency without a gm but there’s time between now and then.

I just don’t like the way we’re gonna be dragged through the mud during all this. This teams been a punching bag long enough.

 

[Ole Gil]

Money might be an issue in Carolina Hurricanes’ GM search - Sportsnet.ca

Is there anything better than a news article with 'might' in the title?

We don't know, but here's some guesses anyways!

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Money might be an issue in Carolina Hurricanes’ GM search - Sportsnet.ca

Yet another article rehashing the same idiot on air quote from Kypreos and the same Friedman quote with no new data -- or actual data -- at all.

But keep f***ing that chicken. Concerning!!!

 

[AD Skinner]

"We're not sure what's going on down there Tom, but we're reporting acts ignored looting, rape, and even cannibalism."

"My god, you've actually seen people eating each other?"

"No Tom, we're just reporting it."

 

[Joe McGrath]

I find it odd that there’s a subset of people on here just willing to completely dismiss reports as total bullshit.

Then again a majority of folks on here dismissed comments from actual teammates of Semin that he was a lazy f*** that didn’t give a shit so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

 

[AeroFishOne]

I tweeted Chip Alexander asking him to get answers. Doubt it has any effect but this stuff is stupid. Sounds like some made up crap by Canadian media to smear our franchise, either because Dundon stole a relocation team away from Canada or because they fired Francis. Dundon needs to nip this rumor quickly I wouldn’t want this negative news, true or false, hanging over this offseason when we are making a run at players. This whole thing has been nothing but jumping to conclusions when Dundon has said himself that he’s going to surround himself with good hockey minds and that he himself knows little about hockey. Why not give a chance? All this may be true but damn. What the F else is there. Is not like we’ve made the playoffs recently.

 

[MinJaBen]

I find it odd that there’s a subset of people on here just willing to completely dismiss reports as total bull****.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

 

[Hulkacaniac]

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Sounds about right except for that last one

 

[Lempo]

3. Poor Caning