Confirmed with Link: Francis out as GM - Don Waddell named GM 5/8/18

[Blueline Bomber]

I can't imagine that's true. I mean, he'd have to be completely out of touch to make that offer.

However, if he is, I can bet it's because he believes his "red light/green light" plan means the GM won't be doing much and thus doesn't deserve to get paid as much.

 

[Novacane]

This just seems like a massive smear campaign. How often are GM searches this public with detail after detail leaking out? Why is the Canadian media suddenly this infatuated with the Hurricanes? I keep seeing Canadian hockey writers making snide comments every time a candidate backs out. Usually, I don’t buy into the Canada is out to get us story (I still don’t, I just think the loudest people happen to be traditionalists). But I think Ron Francis getting fired really pissed off A LOT of people and these guys are using their platforms to make this job seem like hell in its purest form

 

[MinJaBen]

This just seems like a massive smear campaign. How often are GM searches this public with detail after detail leaking out? Why is the Canadian media suddenly this infatuated with the Hurricanes? I keep seeing Canadian hockey writers making snide comments every time a candidate backs out. Usually, I don’t buy into the Canada is out to get us story. But I think Ron Francis getting fired really pissed off A LOT of people and these guys are using their platforms to make this job seem like hell in its purest form

Well, if this isn’t true, then he should deny it. Simple. I look forward to the denial.

 

[A Star is Burns]

This is where it'd be nice to have local media be able to put in some work to confirm or deny this. We know the organization can't comment, cause they'd likely just be feeding the trolls.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Well, if he is lowballing these candidates, I have to imagine said candidates told the media the reason for dropping out. No reason not to.

Thus, it's "leaking" because the situation is so absurd that it's conversation worthy.

 

[MinJaBen]

There is too much smoke here for there not to be a fire.

 

[Canes]

That's obvious trolling. That number would almost certainly be below what those guys are making as AGMs.

I wouldn't be so easy to dismiss it. 3 guys have already removed their names from the search early in the process. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

This just seems like a massive smear campaign. How often are GM searches this public with detail after detail leaking out? Why is the Canadian media suddenly this infatuated with the Hurricanes? I keep seeing Canadian hockey writers making snide comments every time a candidate backs out. Usually, I don’t buy into the Canada is out to get us story (I still don’t, I just think the loudest people happen to be traditionalists). But I think Ron Francis getting fired really pissed off A LOT of people and these guys are using their platforms to make this job seem like hell in its purest form

I wish it were that, but I just don't see why anyone not invested in the Canes would care so much to constantly try to smear the organization, especially now that's it been awhile since he was fired.

 

[MinJaBen]

This was said on the Hockey Night in Canada broadcast tonight

If this is true, it is a really surprising lack of due diligence to find out what a reasonable salary range would be for these executives.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Hurricanes GM search being stalled because of low salary offer, says report

We've hit the main board folks. Apparently the whole postpone the process thing is just a conspiracy

 

[A Star is Burns]

I'm sure Francis was making more than that, and I'm sure Dundon knew what he made. So not knowing doesn't seem like a good excuse. I really hope it isn't true, because it would be beyond Mickey Mouse organization stuff.

Again, I'd love the true heavy hitter insiders or someone in our market, even just mouthpiece of the organization style, would report on this salary issue. And other aspects of this process.

 

[A Star is Burns]

At least Friedman confirmed my thought they may continue searching now behind the scenes.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Outside of Babcock and Q your typical coach makes $1M to $2M, usually $1.5M. Have to think your GMs are similar. Hell your AGMs probably make twice that reported offer.

 

[bluedevil58]

This is a train wreck.

 

[A Star is Burns]

It's just such an odd place to cheap out, and the savings seem like they would be minimal

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It really doesn't make sense.

He knows it's a low-ball offer. He would know the details of other GMs and AGMs around the league (or he could find out easily). So he'd have to be offering low for a reason. But for what reason?

He could already have someone in mind, but knows the fanbase wouldn't be happy with the choice. Possibly Velluci or (god forbid) Waddell. So he takes a "shotgun" approach to finding candidates, makes it very public, then low-balls them. When everyone else is rejected, he goes for "his guy" and tells the fanbase that it's the best candidate after a long search. He gets his guy and comes out of it smelling like roses.

 

[MinJaBen]

It's just such an odd place to cheap out, and the savings seem like they would be minimal

It’s only odd if the puppet GM thing is untrue.

 

[A Star is Burns]

That's not giving us as fans much credit. You just cracked it (if it were/is true) and it hasn't even happened yet. And there's no way he smells like roses with those choices to intelligent fans. I guess they'd be banking on casual fans not knowing any different.

There have been plenty of organizations in all sports to make unpopular decisions without making a show of interviewing fake candidates. If he wants a puppet GM, just hire one and look like an idiot once rather than have all this thrown out there and look like an idiot and then look like an idiot again after the puppet is hired. It's all so convoluted it still seems unbelievable. But we'll know the truth by the end result.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

That's not giving us as fans much credit. You just cracked it (if it were/is true) and it hasn't even happened yet. And there's no way he smells like roses with those choices to intelligent fans. I guess they'd be banking on casual fans not knowing any different.

I mean, not to bring this up again, but look how he made his money. Taking advantage of those who don't know any better doesn't seem like a stretch.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I don't buy any of this.

There's no way he'd be offering any of these candidates $400k for a GM job. He'd literally be asking any of these candidates to make a pay cut from an AGM position. There's no reason to do it.

This is a game of telephone going apeshit.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

So possibilities:
A. Dundon has been completely sincere in offering $400K and is just an idiot.
B. He wants a puppet GM (why would you interview top candidates then? Basically going back to implying Dundon is an idiot)
C. Already has someone he's going to hire, search process is just a PR smokescreen.. except what is the point of that? This makes him look like more of an idiot than if he just straight up announced Vellucci in June without all of this bs. So basically it means he's an idiot.
D. The salary report is fake along with everything else we know and love. The universe is just a computer simulation designed to f*** with us.


Really the 400K salary makes this clearly a puppet position, but that contradicts a seemingly otherwise serious interview process. I have to imagine vellucci or waddell wouldn't even want that position since they likely make twice that
now. This is just so absurd that no part of it can be rationalized.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The only guy who has reported that 400k number is Kypreos.

Which is more likely: that the young business genius billionaire is making 400k offers, at the beginning of an interview process, to people who are already making more money than that in lesser roles... or that Kypreos is a f***ing moron? You tell me.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Normally, I'd agree Hank, but now Elliotte Friedman's involved. Hes one of the best in the business. Not one to typically jump on hearsay and rumors.

Dismissing O'Neil and Krypeos is easy. If Friedman is talking about candidates being worried about how much control they'll have in the organization, then it starts to get worrisome.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I don't buy any of this.

There's no way he'd be offering any of these candidates $400k for a GM job. He'd literally be asking any of these candidates to make a pay cut from an AGM position. There's no reason to do it.

This is a game of telephone going ape****.

Agree. That number is less than 1/2 of the lowest paid GM.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Normally, I'd agree Hank, but now Elliotte Friedman's involved. Hes one of the best in the business. Not one to typically jump on hearsay and rumors.

Dismissing O'Neil and Krypeos is easy. If Friedman is talking about candidates being worried about how much control they'll have in the organization, then it starts to get worrisome.

Jesus f***ing Christ. Read the article. Friedman doesn't reference that 400k number anywhere. The only reference is to someone referencing Kypreos's on air comment.

Friedman confirms only that Dundon is taking the search underground -- and it's pretty obvious why. The Canadian hockey media is looking for a circus.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Jesus ****ing Christ. Read the article. Friedman doesn't reference that 400k number anywhere. The only reference is to someone referencing Kypreos's on air comment.

Friedman confirms only that Dundon is taking the search underground -- and it's pretty obvious why. The Canadian hockey media is looking for a circus.

I did read the article, which is why I mentioned the Friedman quote at the end of it.

"There were some people who felt how much authority would they really have over decision making," Friedman said on Saturday