Confirmed with Link: Foligno extension - 4 x $4m

[Wild11MN]

oof

 

[AKL]

Anyone still think Guerin has the chops to build a Cup winner?

 

[Minnesota]

How we feeling about the Zuccarello deal now?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Anyone still think Guerin has the chops to build a Cup winner?

One person probably does.

 

[Wabit]

How we feeling about the Zuccarello deal now?

Like Zucc needs a better agent. He probably could have gotten a $6mx2 deal.

 

[AKL]

One person probably does.

I think when you and I were talking the other day about Kaprizov getting 15M AAV, that might have been lowballing it.

At least Kaprizov is a superstar player, but I'm thinking the 29 year old will take 3-4 years at 18M (or whatever the max AAV will be at the time).

 

[Circulartheory]

Anyone still think Guerin has the chops to build a Cup winner?

I mentioned this in the other forum that I still feel BG has done more good than harm in his overall tenure. And huge hopes in the incoming prospects. But this is definitely falls in the LOSS column - it does seem the player/agent got everything they wanted (AAV, term, NMC) and team didn't push for anything back. Seems like lazy negotiating.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Any chance that offer was meant for Hartman and Guerin just f***ed up?

 

[lordtrillson]

So this probably means we’re not going to be aggressive in free agency or a trade when this dead money comes off the books right?

 

[f7ben]

Any chance that offer was meant for Hartman and Guerin just f***ed up?

Hartman is by far the more valuable player , like double or so

 

[AKL]

I mentioned this in the other forum that I still feel BG has done more good than harm in his overall tenure. And huge hopes in the incoming prospects. But this is definitely falls in the LOSS column - it does seem the player/agent got everything they wanted (AAV, term, NMC) and team didn't push for anything back. Seems like lazy negotiating.

Can we step back and really think about what he's done in his time here? The team has gone from a perennial first round playoff out to a...perennial first round playoff out. We have a bunch of dead cap because of a decision he made, and when that finally comes off the books we'll have...a bunch of dead cap tied up in overpayments like this.

Props to him, we have a solid, but not great, prospect pool, featuring little to no true star power because we consistently draft in the middle of the first round every year, and he hasn't traded away any high picks, though he hasn't actually prioritized acquiring any either.

What has he done that has set us up for a better future than the past we've had the last 10-12 years under Fletcher? And how much of your optimism comes solely off the hope that Kaprizov actually extends here when his current contract is over?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So this probably means we’re not going to be aggressive in free agency or a trade when this dead money comes off the books right?

It just means Middleton is going probably going to get $5M and Merrill is going to get $3M.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So either Guerin decided that negotiating wasn't necessary, or what the hell did Foligno's agent walk into the room with?

 

[Sad People]

I do not get why this team gets so attached to players like this.

I feel like its a Minnesota sports thing.

 

[Wabit]

So either Guerin decided that negotiating wasn't necessary, or what the hell did Foligno's agent walk into the room with?

The same thing Spurgeon did a few years ago is my guess.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He better cut out the antics shit, that's for sure.

 

[Wabit]

Can we step back and really think about what he's done in his time here? The team has gone from a perennial first round playoff out to a...perennial first round playoff out. We have a bunch of dead cap because of a decision he made, and when that finally comes off the books we'll have...a bunch of dead cap tied up in overpayments like this.

Props to him, we have a solid, but not great, prospect pool, featuring little to no true star power because we consistently draft in the middle of the first round every year, and he hasn't traded away any high picks, though he hasn't actually prioritized acquiring any either.

What has he done that has set us up for a better future than the past we've had the last 10-12 years under Fletcher? And how much of your optimism comes solely off the hope that Kaprizov actually extends here when his current contract is over?

Middleton, MarJo, Merrill, MAF, Gus, Freddy G., Goli, Maroon, Addison, pickem of random depth rentals, and a bunch of dead cap.

Maybe add Rossi and Faber to that group this year.

 

[Bazeek]

Middleton, MarJo, Merrill, MAF, Gus, Freddy G., Goli, Maroon, Addison, pickem of random depth rentals, and a bunch of dead cap.

Maybe add Rossi and Faber to that group this year.

Haha, and 5/9 are former Penguins.

 

[Digitalbooya]

LOL! What the actual f*** Guerin…

 

[Jbcraig1883]

Honestly asking - despite the term/cost, why is it necessary to lock these guys up now? If things go south, they won't be able to flip them. If Foligno has another year like last year, either trade him or sign him for much less. I guess I don't understand the urgency unless it is someone like Kaprizov, your first pairing D, starting goalie, etc.

 

[BagHead]

Huh

He'd better get back to shooting 25%.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Huh

He'd better get back to shooting 25%.

For real though. AAV too high. Years given is too many. And he got a NMC for the first two years/m-NTC for the last two years.

 

[Bazeek]

Honestly asking - despite the term/cost, why is it necessary to lock these guys up now? If things go south, they won't be able to flip them. If Foligno has another year like last year, either trade him or sign him for much less. I guess I don't understand the urgency unless it is someone like Kaprizov, your first pairing D, starting goalie, etc.

The bobbleheads are probably cheaper if you put the order in a few years out, but you've gotta have a contract first. What're you gonna do with 18,000 Foligno bobbleheads when he's playing in Anaheim or whatever? Lot of variables in play.

 

[Wabit]

Honestly asking - despite the term/cost, why is it necessary to lock these guys up now? If things go south, they won't be able to flip them. If Foligno has another year like last year, either trade him or sign him for much less. I guess I don't understand the urgency unless it is someone like Kaprizov, your first pairing D, starting goalie, etc.

My guess is GMBG is getting it done now, because (almost) everyone he wants to re-sign ends up leaving and signing for same/less money elsewhere.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm not even sure if this contract is defensible if it's signed at the end of the season after he has a really good year.