Confirmed with Link: Foligno Extension - 3.1 Million AAV

[GuerinUp]

He's on the 3rd line right now. Who goes to the 4th line when Zuccarello comes back? How about when Boldy shows up next year?

The 2nd round pick or better is what Guerin should have been able to get for a rental Foligno

Youre assuming foligno was even going to be traded as a rental, so in fact this signing did not cost us anything.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Youre assuming foligno was even going to be traded as a rental, so in fact this signing did not cost us anything.

A lot of us were.

 

[GuerinUp]

A lot of us were.

I assumed wed keep him as we are most likely losing greenway in the expansion.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I assumed wed keep him as we are most likely losing greenway in the expansion.

Do you think that the contract we gave him would’ve been outbid this summer?

 

[nt3005]

Dumba for Ehlers... Sign Danault

Ehlers-Rossi-Fiala
Boldy-Danault-Kaprizov
Foligno-Ek-XXXX

Brodin-Spurgeon
Suter-Addison
Soucy-Menell

Talbot

and coming down the pipe is Johnson and Samoskevich

Dumba for Ehlers is a trade I can get behind. Basically add another Fiala. Add Danault on top of that and thats a nice looking team.

 

[GuerinUp]

Do you think that the contract we gave him would’ve been outbid this summer?

Hard to say, depends on other teams needs and the state of the league. In a normal year its possible, this definately isnt a franchise ruining deal.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Hard to say, depends on other teams needs and the state of the league. In a normal year its possible, this definately isnt a franchise ruining deal.

Don’t think many, if any, are saying it is.

 

[Spurgeon]

Dumba for Ehlers is a trade I can get behind. Basically add another Fiala. Add Danault on top of that and thats a nice looking team.

Ehlers seems like a terrible pick-up for this team, positionally speaking.

Fiala, Kap, Ehlers, Zucc, Parise, Boldy, Foligno, X is a fantastic winger group. However, it’s a very expensive winger group that leaves almost nothing for the centers.

Addison and Mennell both look like they’ve got great potential at RD so their ELCs would help, but next year we’d likely have $35-40M tied up in our wingers and about $27M in our defense.

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Crunched the numbers on this:

OFFENSE:

Ehlers, Zucc, Parise, Foligno, Boldy: $23.5M
Kap, Fiala: ~$12M-$15M
Rossi, Ek, Sturm: ~$5.2M
Rask Buyout: $1.3M

DEFENSE:

Spurgeon, Suter, Brodin, Soucy, Addison, Mennell: $25.6M

GOALIES:

Talbot, Kaapo: $4.4M

TOTAL: $72M - $75M

So roughly $6.5-9.5M to sign a Top 6 C, 4th line RW, and 2 extra skaters. Not impossible if the higher cap space is available, but still incredibly tight. I don’t see Zucc or Parise being moved somehow either.

 

[GuerinUp]

Don’t think many, if any, are saying it is.

Theres a few in the trade board outside of our organization saying they dont think its a bad deal outside of it being a flat cap currently. Also a fair amount of people saying they wish he was on their team, so who knows. End of the day i dont hate the deal, we still have yet to see who all will be on this roster still come expansion draft so this could go so many different ways.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Do you think that the contract we gave him would’ve been outbid this summer?

Possibly; length might have been something. Also depends on who...possibly Buffalo? So, who knows.

 

[SomethingGeneric]

He's on the 3rd line right now. Who goes to the 4th line when Zuccarello comes back? How about when Boldy shows up next year?

The 2nd round pick or better is what Guerin should have been able to get for a rental Foligno


Seeler is the guy doing the "jumping".

So he's a 4th liner and he's worth a 2nd round pick? Yo the wild should trade everyone in their bottom 6 if this is the case.

 

[MuckOG]

He's on the 3rd line right now. Who goes to the 4th line when Zuccarello comes back? How about when Boldy shows up next year?

Bjugstad goes to 4th line and Johansson moves to center, I guess.

 

[2Pair]

So he's a 4th liner and he's worth a 2nd round pick? Yo the wild should trade everyone in their bottom 6 if this is the case.

It's almost like contending teams are willing to overpay for quality depth players at the trade deadline.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Does anyone else think this signing is part of a bigger move on Guerin's end? I could see Parise on the move again (didn't get the captaincy, overabundance of top 9 wingers...)

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I assumed wed keep him as we are most likely losing greenway in the expansion.

One way, the possibility is there, however small. The other, it’s completely slammed shut. That’s all we’re pretty much saying.

 

[MuckOG]

I could see how Foligno might be attractive to Seattle in the expansion draft.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Does anyone else think this signing is part of a bigger move on Guerin's end? I could see Parise on the move again (didn't get the captaincy, overabundance of top 9 wingers...)

I think there is a less then zero shot Parise gets moved in this market.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I think there is a less then zero shot Parise gets moved in this market.

High cap hit, low cash owed

 

[Spurgeon]

High cap hit, low cash owed

There's a less than zero chance he waives his NMC to go to the types of teams that are interested in those kinds of deals.

 

[2Pair]

One way, the possibility is there, however small. The other, it’s completely slammed shut. That’s all we’re pretty much saying.

Which also ties into the question, what is gained by signing this contract now instead of the offseason?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Which also ties into the question, what is gained by signing this contract now instead of the offseason?

Not much, which is pretty much the extent of my “problem” with it.

 

[ThatGuy22]

High cap hit, low cash owed

8 Million this year, 6 million next year. I don't count that as low cash owed in the years when the NHL is losing a billion dollars.

 

[2Pair]

Not much, which is pretty much the extent of my “problem” with it.

This is the 3rd contract that Guerin sure seemed to be in a rush to give a player more than he could ask for. Not a great trait to have in a salary cap league.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This is the 3rd contract that Guerin sure seemed to be in a rush to give a player more than he could ask for. Not a great trait to have in a salary cap league.

I don’t quite equate the risk of waiting Foligno vs. Spurgeon/Brodin. The latters would’ve been a bigger hit to the team if the waiting went wrong.

 

[2Pair]

I don’t quite equate the risk of waiting Foligno vs. Spurgeon/Brodin. The latters would’ve been a bigger hit to the team if the waiting went wrong.

The Brodin contract should be being discussed right now. Doing that deal before even starting the offseason made no sense