Proposal: Flyers-Leafs

[IrishInOntario]

Flyers fans, I'm interested in Scott Laughton as a guy that can play up and down Toronto's top 9 a little bit.

Not entirely sure what you guys are looking for so I'll start here...

To Toronto
Scott Laughton

To Philadelphia
Pierre Engvall
2021 2nd round pick
2022 4th round pick

Are we even having the same conversation at that starting point?

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[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Engvall shouldn't be in this

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Thank you for making a Toronto proposal without including Kerfoot. Signed all of HF

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Thank you for making a Toronto proposal without including Kerfoot. Signed all of HF

Always weird to me when people complain about this, yet draw attention to it.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Always weird to me when people complain about this, yet draw attention to it.

It is board lore anyway.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Flyers fans, I'm interested in Scott Laughton as a guy that can play up and down Toronto's top 9 a little bit.

Not entirely sure what you guys are looking for so I'll start here...

To Toronto
Scott Laughton

To Philadelphia
Pierre Engvall
2021 2nd round pick
2022 4th round pick

Are we even having the same conversation at that starting point?

In a flat cap environment I’d take that deal.

Lootin is UFA at the end of the season, so I’d take that deal then resign Lootin as a UFA

 

[Tripod]

it's actually not a bad deal.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Would expect a rd coming back for Laughton. Picks are meh at this point. Engvall nice piece but not a real need

 

[Randy Randerson]

Wouldn't want to give up Engvall, he's cheap, effective and signed for another year. I could also see him being affordable indefinitely because I don't think he'll put up much offense, but can still handle tough assignments and help to keep the puck in the offensive zone, which is a good fit for the Leafs.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Chatted with another Flyers fan in another thread.

Came up with a 1st rounder for Laughton at 50% retained.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Flyers fans, I'm interested in Scott Laughton as a guy that can play up and down Toronto's top 9 a little bit.

Not entirely sure what you guys are looking for so I'll start here...

To Toronto
Scott Laughton

To Philadelphia
Pierre Engvall
2021 2nd round pick
2022 4th round pick

Are we even having the same conversation at that starting point?

Your value is what I would expect from Flyers point of view and very fair for a rental.

Well done!

 

[IrishInOntario]

Wouldn't want to give up Engvall, he's cheap, effective and signed for another year. I could also see him being affordable indefinitely because I don't think he'll put up much offense, but can still handle tough assignments and help to keep the puck in the offensive zone, which is a good fit for the Leafs.

Don't want to give up Engvall either, but I think Laughton is, objectively, a better hockey player, who can go more things and play up an down the lineup, similar to Zack Hyman. Having two guys like that, would be awesome.

Also, I think Lawton is extandable for the Leafs. Southern Ontario boy, due a raise, but nothing crazy. Move Alex Kerfoot in the off season and walk away from Anderson, as expected, and both Hyman and Laughton are easily extendable, with nobody else needing a raise after you lose Dermott to expansion...

Money out / player out
Anderson: 5.0
Kerfoot: 3.5
Simmonds: 1.5
Engvall: 1.6
Dermott (expansion)

Money / player in
FA Goalie: 3.25
Hyman: 4.5
Laughton: 3.75
Robertson: ELC
Sandin

I think something like that might be very possible.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Don't want to give up Engvall either, but I think Laughton is, objectively, a better hockey player, who can go more things and play up an down the lineup, similar to Zack Hyman. Having two guys like that, would be awesome.

Also, I think Lawton is extandable for the Leafs. Southern Ontario boy, due a raise, but nothing crazy. Move Alex Kerfoot in the off season and walk away from Anderson, as expected, and both Hyman and Laughton are easily extendable, with nobody else needing a raise after you lose Dermott to expansion...

Money out / player out
Anderson: 5.0
Kerfoot: 3.5
Simmonds: 1.5
Engvall: 1.6
Dermott (expansion)

Money / player in
FA Goalie: 3.25
Hyman: 4.5
Laughton: 3.75
Robertson: ELC
Sandin

I think something like that might be very possible.

I agree that Laughton is a better player, I just think that Engvall is like a $2M player that you can trust anywhere in the bottom 6 and as part of a pretty smothering line.

For next year, I also like the idea of Kerfott+Andersen's money out, but I think it will be a year that UFA's are going to struggle to get contracts so it will be a good one to be a buyer in, so I'd like to save some bullets.

 

[pooch]

I like Laughton and wish the Flyers could keep him for our bottom 6. He is not the problem with this team.

 

[Tripod]

I like Laughton and wish the Flyers could keep him for our bottom 6. He is not the problem with this team.

I like Laughton as well. But there just is not a spot available in the top 9 next year.

Giroux Couts Konecny
JVR Hayes Voracek
Lindblom Patrick Farabee
Frost

Frost should replace whoever is lost in the ED if we lose a F...and if we don't lose a F, then there are even less spots. And with him expecting to get 3-3.5 million, can't pay that for the 4th line.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

We'd probably do that deal unless Fletch plans to completely overhaul the team this offseason since we probably can't afford Laughton moving forward.

I'd be a bigger fan of Laughton 50 percent retained for a 1st, but this deal is good too

 

[Spirit of 67]

I'd do it.

 

[pooch]

I like Laughton as well. But there just is not a spot available in the top 9 next year.

Giroux Couts Konecny
JVR Hayes Voracek
Lindblom Patrick Farabee
Frost

Frost should replace whoever is lost in the ED if we lose a F...and if we don't lose a F, then there are even less spots. And with him expecting to get 3-3.5 million, can't pay that for the 4th line.

I hear ya.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Seems like one of the better threads on here with a couple viable options or at least a starting point on discussions. That's a win on this board lol.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Don't want to give up Engvall either, but I think Laughton is, objectively, a better hockey player, who can go more things and play up an down the lineup, similar to Zack Hyman. Having two guys like that, would be awesome.

Also, I think Lawton is extandable for the Leafs. Southern Ontario boy, due a raise, but nothing crazy. Move Alex Kerfoot in the off season and walk away from Anderson, as expected, and both Hyman and Laughton are easily extendable, with nobody else needing a raise after you lose Dermott to expansion...

Money out / player out
Anderson: 5.0
Kerfoot: 3.5
Simmonds: 1.5
Engvall: 1.6
Dermott (expansion)

Money / player in
FA Goalie: 3.25
Hyman: 4.5
Laughton: 3.75
Robertson: ELC
Sandin

I think something like that might be very possible.

what goalie is Toronto getting for 3.25 that they'd actually be happy with? Reimer again? assuming this means Campbell is your #1?

 

[Dooble08]

Yeah I'd accept that as a Flyers fan. If Toronto didn't want to give up Engvall (even for cap concerns) we could retain up to 50% and just do Laughts retained for a 1st.

 

[Boondock]

Always weird to me when people complain about this, yet draw attention to it.

Well just complaining about it didn't make it stop so he's stepped it up.

 

[IrishInOntario]

what goalie is Toronto getting for 3.25 that they'd actually be happy with? Reimer again? assuming this means Campbell is your #1?

I think there are some goalies that would normally get about 4.0m next year, that are going to be squeezed because of the pandemic. I think Toronto is going to go with a 1A / 1B situation. I'm thinking a guy like Linus Ullmark (maybe he's more 3.5'ish) as the other guy in a Campbell split.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Seeing a lot of Flyers fans that would like to get a 1st for a retained Laughton. I don't think that's at all unreasonable, however, I'd like to keep the 1st round pick (as late as it should be) and part with Engvall, the 2nd and 4th instead.

I simply feel like Toronto can extend Hyman and Laughton, while upgrading Engvall with an FA or organizational depth in the off season.

In a "perfect" world for me Toronto would go into next year with a group of...

Robertson-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Laughton-Hyman
Anderson-Spezza-FA / Simmonds (if he'll take a cut)

Reilly / Brodie
Muzzin / Holl
Sandin / Bogosian
Liljegren

1A FA
1B Campbell

 

[Flyer lurker]

Seeing a lot of Flyers fans that would like to get a 1st for a retained Laughton. I don't think that's at all unreasonable, however, I'd like to keep the 1st round pick (as late as it should be) and part with Engvall, the 2nd and 4th instead.

I simply feel like Toronto can extend Hyman and Laughton, while upgrading Engvall with an FA in the off season.

In "perfect" world for me Toronto would go into next year with a group of...

Robertson-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Laughton-FA-Hyman
Mikheyev-Spezza-FA / Simmonds (if he'll take a cut)

Reilly / Brodie
Muzzin / Holl
Sandin / Bogosian
Liljegren

1A FA
1B Campbell

Flyers are not getting a 1. At best its Toffoli deal 2 and b+ prospect. and even that seems high

2 and 4 and Engvall is more than fair.