Confirmed with Link: Flames offer veteran forward Cammalleri Contract extension(Cammy still to decide)

[InfinityIggy]

No thanks on the Myers trade. I think his potential has been ruined by his time in Buffalo's system. Would much rather have Sven.

Me as well, it just seems like something that could happen given Burke is doing the dealing here.

 

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Me as well, it just seems like something that could happen given Burke is doing the dealing here.

What high end prospect has he dealt away in recent memory to verify this unfounded worry/opinion that Sven will/should be traded that looms within certain fans?

Draft picks don't count..

Have we not learned grooming our own draft picks is the key to turning this around?

Just look at who our best players are? Monahan, Backlund and Brodie were drafted by us and Gio was an undrafted FA.

Don't trade a guy when you don't know if he'll reach his potential or not yet...

 

[Trae]

What high end prospect has he dealt away in recent memory to verify this unfounded worry/opinion that Sven will/should be traded that looms within certain fans?

Draft picks don't count..

Have we not learned grooming our own draft picks is the key to turning this around?

Just look at who our best players are? Monahan, Backlund and Brodie were drafted by us and Gio was an undrafted FA.

Don't trade a guy when you don't know if he'll reach his potential or not yet...

I agree with this sentiment. If you do a Baertschi/Myers swap, that's one less home grown player 5 years down the line. You look at top teams in the NHL and you will find a theme that a good part of their core is home grown talent.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I agree with this sentiment. If you do a Baertschi/Myers swap, that's one less home grown player 5 years down the line. You look at top teams in the NHL and you will find a theme that a good part of their core is home grown talent.

And then there's guys like Turris and Niño that just need a change of scenery and flourish.

The fact is when you look at how many smallish, skilled players we have, it's only a matter of time until at least one is dealt to fill another organizational team need. That said, in no way am I implying that time is now and that player is Sven.

 

[Trae]

And then there's guys like Turris and Niño that just need a change of scenery and flourish.

The fact is when you look at how many smallish, skilled players we have, it's only a matter of time until at least one is dealt to fill another organizational team need. That said, in no way am I implying that time is now and that player is Sven.

Fair enough, but yeah, looking at our smaller and skilled players, we are talking about Sven, Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammy, Granlund, and Byron. You can take Cammy off that list as he's likely to be dealt. I don't see Byron sticking with the club and I'd sooner him leave than the rest. I could see Hudler being dealt when one or both of Granlund/Gaudreau transition full time to the NHL, and Granlund has a bit of grit to his game anyways. In the end you'd ideally like Gaudreau, Baertschi, and Granlund each on a separate line in the future top 9, and when you look at it, 5'11 isn't really that short for Baer/Gran and it's to be seen if Gaudreau will even be an NHL'er yet.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Fair enough, but yeah, looking at our smaller and skilled players, we are talking about Sven, Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammy, Granlund, and Byron. You can take Cammy off that list as he's likely to be dealt. I don't see Byron sticking with the club and I'd sooner him leave than the rest. I could see Hudler being dealt when one or both of Granlund/Gaudreau transition full time to the NHL, and Granlund has a bit of grit to his game anyways. In the end you'd ideally like Gaudreau, Baertschi, and Granlund each on a separate line in the future top 9, and when you look at it, 5'11 isn't really that short for Baer/Gran and it's to be seen if Gaudreau will even be an NHL'er yet.

Additionally, Sven and Granlund aren't that small. They're (barely) on the shorter side, but Sven is already pretty beefy (190 lb at 5'10 isn't bad at all) and might be able to add a tiny bit more, and Granlund is just barely undersized - he can probably hit 200 lb if he wants to. There should absolutely be room for both those guys, plus JG, in the Flames' top 6 when all is said and done.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Fair enough, but yeah, looking at our smaller and skilled players, we are talking about Sven, Gaudreau, Hudler, Cammy, Granlund, and Byron. You can take Cammy off that list as he's likely to be dealt. I don't see Byron sticking with the club and I'd sooner him leave than the rest. I could see Hudler being dealt when one or both of Granlund/Gaudreau transition full time to the NHL, and Granlund has a bit of grit to his game anyways. In the end you'd ideally like Gaudreau, Baertschi, and Granlund each on a separate line in the future top 9, and when you look at it, 5'11 isn't really that short for Baer/Gran and it's to be seen if Gaudreau will even be an NHL'er yet.

I wouldn't put Granlund in the "small" group at all tbh.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I wouldn't put Granlund in the "small" group at all tbh.

Sven technically isn't either, but they do play that skilled game. They are smallish in the sense that they are under 6'0, which is very standard in today's NHL. I agree though, they are not JG small.

 

[Mr Lebowski]

Sven and GrandMa still play smaller. They aren't hitters and Sven doesn't really show up in the corners

 

[MonahanTheMan]

I predict Cammy and Mark Jankowski to the Wild for Matt Dumba. Book it.

 

[Trae]

I wouldn't put Granlund in the "small" group at all tbh.

Neither would I, just did for the sake of the post because those are the guys people are referring to when they say we have too many undersized wingers.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

I predict Cammy and Mark Jankowski to the Wild for Matt Dumba. Book it.

I would fly to Calgary and Demand for Burkes head. We could get way better than Dumba.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

I would fly to Calgary and Demand for Burkes head. We could get way better than Dumba.

And here I thought people were going to say I was overvaluing our players...

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

And here I thought people were going to say I was overvaluing our players...

I'm not overvaluing our players. Dumba isn't that enticing if we move Cammy + Jankowksi. Jankowski is coming along, I would rather wait than move him.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

I'm not overvaluing our players. Dumba isn't that enticing if we move Cammy + Jankowksi. Jankowski is coming along, I would rather wait than move him.

True, Jankowski is coming along, but Dumba is also a potential #1 Dman and a Calgary native. I would make that trade any day. We are trading a small second-line winger and a project centre in a prospect pool already loaded with centres for one of the top defensive prospects in the NHL.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Honestly, I wouldn't trade Janko for Dumba straight up. He's not an intelligent player and he's from here, to many distractions for a young player.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Honestly, I wouldn't trade Janko for Dumba straight up. He's not an intelligent player and he's from here, to many distractions for a young player.

This. I was a huge Dumba fan going into the draft however after seeing him play he honestly reminds me of SOB.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

True, Jankowski is coming along, but Dumba is also a potential #1 Dman and a Calgary native. I would make that trade any day. We are trading a small second-line winger and a project centre in a prospect pool already loaded with centres for one of the top defensive prospects in the NHL.

Dumba is not a future #1 dman. IMO he is a top 4 d, but no way a #1. Burke isn't going to trade for because he from Calgary. Burke will trade for the best offer, and Dumba is not that. Minnesota wouldn't trade him anyways unless it was for a much better player than Cammy.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

Dumba is not a future #1 dman. IMO he is a top 4 d, but no way a #1. Burke isn't going to trade for because he from Calgary. Burke will trade for the best offer, and Dumba is not that. Minnesota wouldn't trade him anyways unless it was for a much better player than Cammy.

I'll agree he does not play a smart game, and he was exasperating in the WJCs, but I disagree that he is not a blue chip prospect. Have him spend more time in the AHL and he'll come out looking great.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

I'll agree he does not play a smart game, and he was exasperating in the WJCs, but I disagree that he is not a blue chip prospect. Have him spend more time in the AHL and he'll come out looking great.

You can't teach Hockey IQ. He can hone his skills all he wants. Won't affect his IQ.

 

[MonahanTheMan]

You can't teach Hockey IQ. He can hone his skills all he wants. Won't affect his IQ.

But it'll teach him how to play the game at a higher level. I think he looked bad during his stint in the NHL this year because he didn't spend hardly any time in the AHL. He is too young and too talented of a player to give up on that fast.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

But it'll teach him how to play the game at a higher level. I think he looked bad during his stint in the NHL this year because he didn't spend hardly any time in the AHL. He is too young and too talented of a player to give up on that fast.

If he is so great and smart. Minny is better off keeping him if that's the case.

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Dumba is not good defensively I can tell you that. he is rather undisciplined too

 

[MonahanTheMan]

Dumba is not good defensively I can tell you that. he is rather undisciplined too

The fact that he's not good defensively doesn't really bother me, because we need more offensive defensemen in the prospect pool. The undisciplined thing is definitely worrisome though.

The way I see it, we would be filling an organizational need and picking up Minnesota's best prospect for a winger we don't need and a centre years away from the NHL. I think you guys could change your mind pretty fast on Dumba if he was a Flame, there's definitely a reason he's considered a big deal by a lot of people, and I like the fact that he's from Calgary, too.

I definitely understand where you're coming from though. He definitely isn't good defensively and isn't a very smart player. I just think it'd be worth it still.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

The fact that he's not good defensively doesn't really bother me, because we need more offensive defensemen in the prospect pool. The undisciplined thing is definitely worrisome though.

The way I see it, we would be filling an organizational need and picking up Minnesota's best prospect for a winger we don't need and a centre years away from the NHL. I think you guys could change your mind pretty fast on Dumba if he was a Flame, there's definitely a reason he's considered a big deal by a lot of people, and I like the fact that he's from Calgary, too.

I definitely understand where you're coming from though. He definitely isn't good defensively and isn't a very smart player. I just think it'd be worth it still.

Dumba is not a offensive dman. We need a dman like Smid, not more offensive Dmen. I would not waste assets on a "smart" player.