TheHudlinator
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For me not really, there are aspects of being a GM that he is good at but until this team is able to make a real run in the playoffs nothing that happens in the regular season will make the difference for me.
Confirmed with Link: Flames fire Geoff Ward, Hire Darryl Sutter as Head Coach
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For me not really, there are aspects of being a GM that he is good at but until this team is able to make a real run in the playoffs nothing that happens in the regular season will make the difference for me.
Thats your opinion but locking up a high priced goalie, longterm, signinging Tanev and walking away from Brodie aren't exactly the moves of a GM under heavy scrutiny or on his way out. Hartley was inherited and doesn't reflect on Tre. Gulutzan was obviously a mistake but I don't think Peters really reflects poorly upon him. Pretty solid arguments could be made for being our most successful coach since Sutter. It was probably viewed more as a tragic situation, opposed to a negative choice by Tre. Ward never made sense and I wouldn't surprise if Sutter wasn't always Tre's choice, from the beginning but it was shut down by the organization because of the potential PR nightmare of hiring Sutter on the heels of the Peters fiasco. Also I don't believe Tre was puppeting Ward. Seems like media BS, stemming from the Bennett trade request. Did Tre have input, 100%, but it was probably mostly on Bennett's availability and possibly where he played in the line up, when showcasing. All of which is pretty normal.
Yes. I’ve said all season that this team should be good enough to compete and get into playoffs, but Ward was a problem.
Now, 2 games under Sutter doesn’t prove me right, but a streak of 12 games playing like the last couple would be a good start.
Biggest thing would be, what does he do in the case that Sutter was the missing ingredient? He needs a top 6 RW for Gaudreau and Monahan.
TheHudlinator
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You don't believe the rumour that's fine but like I said if it's true it's embarrassing.
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Team needs a fresh set of eyes from above. I wouldn't fire Treliving for any old yahoo - just like how firing Ward for Huska would've been so pointless - but if you can get a well-respected guy like Lombardi you pull the trigger every day of the week
turnagainoutlaw
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I like Treliving, I think he's learned his lesson on Free Agency which has been my only complaint with him. I like his drafting and trades and his contract negotiating is elite. With Sutter as coach he won't be going anywhere. This will be a top 5 team for the next couple years.
I don't necessarily disagree but it definitely has to be the right guy. Like many GM's he's fallen in love with what he's created, even Sutter did the same thing. Short bursts of overachieving can sometimes be disastrous to rebuilding teams. In hind sight the worst possible things to happen to this team were probably making the playoffs and beating the Vancouver in 2015. This team would've looked entirely different, had that not happened.
TheHudlinator
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That's what we thought after the Brouwer contract.
Some trades have been good others have been straight up garbage.
turnagainoutlaw
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Which trades are garbage? The Hamonic trade wasn't great but I can't think of any others that were bad off of the top of my head.
Moose Head
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Terrible coaching change, signed life long habs fan.
kidding aside, the flames looked fantastic the last two games. I think you’ll pass us and give the leafs a good run in the first round.
kidding aside, the flames looked fantastic the last two games. I think you’ll pass us and give the leafs a good run in the first round.
TheHudlinator
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Hamonic obviously terrible and has cost this team from drafting a player like Wahlstrom/Farabee, trading Neal for Lucic when Lucic's contract makes it essentially un able to buyout because of how it is structured is a bad trade, and while there are rumours Lucic will waive his nmc in the expansion draft we won't know until he does.
Re-signing RFA is fine but after forcing Gaudreau to leave money on the table for useless vets it is going to make keeping him difficult imo
turnagainoutlaw
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Obviously the Neal signing was bad but I don't mind Lucic at all this year, I think he waives for sure. I think you need to go to the wall on every contract negotiation in a cap system, if Johnny doesn't want to resign trade his a$$. Like I said if he has learned his lesson in free agency I would keep Tre around. I don't remember this Org. having this kind of depth in a long time.
TheHudlinator
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Lucic has been good this year but not worth his cap hit. Treliving has drafted well which is why him trading picks is so frustrating.
If Gaudreau won't re-sign obviously we need to try and move him but I think it's far more likely he won't take a discount to help build this team again because he just watched Treliving waste the extra cap space, in which case that's on Treliving.
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Setting up the play?
The Neal signing was obviously an indefensible nightmare, but we don't know if Flames ownership would have been willing to buy it out anyway after already buying out Brouwer.
Assessed in a vacuum, the Lucic for Neal trade was a net positive as long as Lucic waives for expansion. We reduced the cap hit overall and got the better player who seems to have an overall impact on the team most nights.
Why would Johnny take two discounts in a row? He already took a discount and currently has one of the better value contracts in the league. It has nothing to do with Johnny wanting more because he watched cap space being wasted. Thats just silly.
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How much can a 65-70 pt forward who plays small with a bad playoff record get in this limited CAP NHL?
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That depends on whether he acquires another trash player like "Gustaffsson" or "Fantenberg" to kick Kylington out of the lineup for no reason at all.
I agree, for the most part. Theres absolutely no way they would've even considered buying out the Neal contract before this coming offseason, at the earliest. With the way our contract are structured and our current buyouts dropping off a Lucic buyout is actually favorable to a Neal buyout. The only real mistakes Treliving has made, involving the roster, have come when he tied to force it for a team need. Brouwer, Neal and Hamonic. Even the Hamonic deal was just an overpayment of a 2nd, because all sorts teams wanted him.
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If management wouldn't buy him out it makes the trade slightly better assuming Lucic waives his NMC, but I don't know how much I buy that ownership won't spend money argument. We have massively expanded our scouting staff over this decade, we brought in yet another coach during the season where revenue is down massively, and have bought out several contracts. Is it possible ownership wouldn't buy out the contract for sure, but it seems a lot less likely then Treliving not being willing to ask imo
He didn't ask because he knew the answer.
Hey guys! I kinda f*cked up, can I have 23 million to fix it? And oh, by the way, we're going to be $2 million sort on cap space for the next 8 years.
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Let's F***ing GO! In Darryl WE Trust
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FWIW, Gustafsson was a nice PP add. But an absolutely 5 on 5 liability. He was fine in Flames red.
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Something I've been wondering about.... I recall when I saw the transition between Hartley and Gulutzan that there was a significant difference in "speed". I attributed it to a significant increase in request for hard acceleration and significant amounts of deceleration. It was very stop and go, slowed the players, put them in weird positions and also drained their energy quickly.
A few of you have commented that our players are quite slow, but certain players look much faster under Sutter.
Under Sutter, there's a bunch of hard acceleration, but I've also seemingly noticed significantly less deceleration. Players don't stop as much, they glide in circle at slow and moderate speeds and can maintain momentum while doing so to re-accelerate to top speed quicker as they aren't at a full stop. IIRC, under Hartley, the players glided, but not in circles. They glided in straight lines. The gliding however helps immensely to keep the players at higher "idle" speeds and shortens the time required to get to max speed. This helps immensely in making the team seem less slow. The gliding in circles kinda helps to maintain zone or specific locational positioning vs Hartley's gliding was either at another player or limited zone positioning (ie: in front of own net).
I've also noticed that Tkachuk's glides are... irregular? His acceleration stance is more rigid and reminds me of a trapezoid. This stance though seems to have a benefit for allowing him easier and quicker opportunities to do a between the legs shot.
Can anyone attest to this happening and increasing the speed of our team's overall game?
A few of you have commented that our players are quite slow, but certain players look much faster under Sutter.
Under Sutter, there's a bunch of hard acceleration, but I've also seemingly noticed significantly less deceleration. Players don't stop as much, they glide in circle at slow and moderate speeds and can maintain momentum while doing so to re-accelerate to top speed quicker as they aren't at a full stop. IIRC, under Hartley, the players glided, but not in circles. They glided in straight lines. The gliding however helps immensely to keep the players at higher "idle" speeds and shortens the time required to get to max speed. This helps immensely in making the team seem less slow. The gliding in circles kinda helps to maintain zone or specific locational positioning vs Hartley's gliding was either at another player or limited zone positioning (ie: in front of own net).
I've also noticed that Tkachuk's glides are... irregular? His acceleration stance is more rigid and reminds me of a trapezoid. This stance though seems to have a benefit for allowing him easier and quicker opportunities to do a between the legs shot.
Can anyone attest to this happening and increasing the speed of our team's overall game?
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