Value of: Evander Kane

[Voight]

Why do you get to write of Patrick's cab incident, but not Evander's bar fights? The rest of the stuff isn't major. Having a gambling problem doesn't make him a bad person. Declaring bankruptcy to try to get out of his debts don't make him a bad person, it makes him bad with money.

In E Kane's case he has had problems at every stop and showed a consistent bad behavior. We can write of his bar fights (the plural word is key there; the cab thing was a one time thing) but theres still a laundry list of other incidents.

Theres having a gambling problem and then theres walking out on your casino debt.

 

[Mattb124]

Why do you get to write of Patrick's cab incident, but not Evander's bar fights? The rest of the stuff isn't major. Having a gambling problem doesn't make him a bad person. Declaring bankruptcy to try to get out of his debts don't make him a bad person, it makes him bad with money.

Lying about your financial condition in order to get a loan you never intend to repay makes you a bad person, if that is in fact what occurred.

 

[jetsforever]

Teams should offer something like $8M x 3 years

 

[ManofSteel55]

In E Kane's case he has had problems at every stop and showed a consistent bad behavior. We can write of his bar fights (the plural word is key there; the cab thing was a one time thing) but theres still a laundry list of other incidents.

Theres having a gambling problem and then theres walking out on your casino debt.

Won't someone think of the poor casino owners?

Lying about your financial condition in order to get a loan you never intend to repay makes you a bad person, if that is in fact what occurred.

If. That's the key here. If. I agree that Evander Kane hasn't been a model citizen. But I also think a lot of what people hold against him are conjecture, hearsay, and things we simply don't know the full truth about.

 

[nzoilerfan]

Given the ongoing bankruptcy issues, I wouldn't be surprised if he was okay with 1-2 year term contracts.

If i'm another team, i look at his history, but also take into consideration that he is on a line with McDavid and/or Draisaitl which does inflate them somewhat (not saying that he's a product of them, but he's not a 50g scorer on another team, more a 30g scorer.

Reckon 6m x 1-2 yrs, or 5 x 3-4.

Oilers will do everything he can to keep him on McDavids wing, but he's not exactly the type to do a Gio and sign for less for a spot on a good team.

 

[Mr Positive]

Given the ongoing bankruptcy issues, I wouldn't be surprised if he was okay with 1-2 year term contracts.

If i'm another team, i look at his history, but also take into consideration that he is on a line with McDavid and/or Draisaitl which does inflate them somewhat (not saying that he's a product of them, but he's not a 50g scorer on another team, more a 30g scorer.

Reckon 6m x 1-2 yrs, or 5 x 3-4.

Oilers will do everything he can to keep him on McDavids wing, but he's not exactly the type to do a Gio and sign for less for a spot on a good team.

Imo he would be the type I think. The issue is that he has no choice. Someone will give him 7 million per year and he'll be worth it. If he would leave money on the table to stay, even as an Oilers fan I'd tell him to look after his family first. He has only a few years to build his whole nest egg

 

[GoldenSeal]

He is one of the few players who you can give a big money contract to who will perform and be consistent. That says a lot.

He elevates the team around him and gives players like McD the ability to play their game without concern. Kane is the Oilers missing piece.

 

[Three On Zero]

He will have a VERY limited market, which will likely ring his value down a bit.

 

[Sparkleton]

Won't someone think of the poor casino owners?


If. That's the key here. If. I agree that Evander Kane hasn't been a model citizen. But I also think a lot of what people hold against him are conjecture, hearsay, and things we simply don't know the full truth about.

I mean are we ignoring the women who claimed he grabbed them at the bar, and the woman who claimed he offered her 3 million for three different abortions, and then there is his ex wife. I guess they could all be lying but his track record with woman sends up a red flag.

Saying they are all hearsay is weird. Why does he keep having similar claims made against him?

 

[fasterthanlight]

His contract will be re-instated with the sharks 3x7M and he will bring us an extra 1st round pick in a trade /s

 

[Eggtimer]

I wonder if there is a way that how the contract is structured would have any weight into who he decides to sign with . Like if he got a massive bonus but a tiny salary , woild,it be better for him due to his debts and what can be garnished off his salary? Or some way to set up a contract that would benefit him personally by having a weird way of paying it out?

 

[Jerkbait]

And to think there were dozens on here posting months ago that Kane wouldn't play in the NHL again...LOL...now they taking 3 years @ 8 mil......could of said I told ya so......

 

[spaghtti]

His contract will be re-instated with the sharks 3x7M and he will bring us an extra 1st round pick in a trade /s

I highly doubt that the Sharks will be rewarded for wrongfully terminating a contract. No 1st for you and don’t pass go

 

[Mattb124]

If. That's the key here. If. I agree that Evander Kane hasn't been a model citizen. But I also think a lot of what people hold against him are conjecture, hearsay, and things we simply don't know the full truth about.

As a former banker, Kane had about as much chance of getting a loan if he had told the truth given his financial wherewithal as I do getting an NHL contract. I absolutely do not have all the details, BUT, if his listing of assets and liabilities in the BK filing are correct then I think we have enough information to come to a pretty strong conclusion about his behavior.

 

[Cogburn]

I still don't want him, but I have a feeling Ruthie/Allvin will want to kick the tires on a UFA Kane. I just hope it's not for the higher estimates here...

 

[AuraSphere]

And to think there were dozens on here posting months ago that Kane wouldn't play in the NHL again...LOL...now they taking 3 years @ 8 mil......could of said I told ya so......

They didn't say that because he's not good. They said that because he's a piece of shit human that not many teams want to sign other than those with no morals.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

This season is something else

 

[ManofSteel55]

Imo he would be the type I think. The issue is that he has no choice. Someone will give him 7 million per year and he'll be worth it. If he would leave money on the table to stay, even as an Oilers fan I'd tell him to look after his family first. He has only a few years to build his whole nest egg

Exactly. I won't blame him if he signs somewhere else for more money. The guy's money issues could already be making it so he starts his post hockey career with nothing saved. For the naysayers yes it is his fault, but that's not the issue here.

They didn't say that because he's not good. They said that because he's a piece of shit human that not many teams want to sign other than those with no morals.

Have you seen what pro sports teams charge for beer? You can't tell me any of them have morals.

As a former banker, Kane had about as much chance of getting a loan if he had told the truth given his financial wherewithal as I do getting an NHL contract. I absolutely do not have all the details, BUT, if his listing of assets and liabilities in the BK filing are correct then I think we have enough information to come to a pretty strong conclusion about his behavior.

You might be right. I'm not saying he is innocent of anything. I am saying people are making a lot of judgements without knowing the whole story.

 

[TFHockey]

I think Kane will have a number of GMs interested in signing him this off season. There are a lot of question marks about his character but I don't think there are any about his abilities on the ice. The latter is what GMs really care about, winning being the most important factor in building a team. Lots of GMs talk about team culture, attitude, but what they really mean is a winning culture and a winning attitude.

If Kane can help a team win the cup there are going to be GMs who'll want to sign him. Simple as that.

As such I believe his days in Edmonton are numbered. It's fun to watch him with McDavid while it lasts though.

 

[Bobby9]

Would only do year to year with him.

 

[Jerkbait]

They didn't say that because he's not good. They said that because he's a piece of shit human that not many teams want to sign other than those with no morals.

And...no matter how you try and spin it , they were WRONG...not only did he get signed , have success but he will get signed again ...for more and have more success...he will have a least 5 offers.

 

[Chayos]

Teams should offer something like $8M x 3 years

Right after the Jets do. No one should be offering him 8 million and we all know that. I can see 6.5 or even 7, but 8 is to much. I know I shouldn't have to say this but he is a product of Mcdavid and buyer beware at any price point close to that.

 

[jetsforever]

Right after the Jets do. No one should be offering him 8 million and we all know that. I can see 6.5 or even 7, but 8 is to much. I know I shouldn't have to say this but he is a product of Mcdavid and buyer beware at any price point close to that.

Well 7 vs 8 is a detail but my point was he's a UFA and has put up amazing production (12 goals in 11 playoff games!) and can probably ask for a lot based on that, but likely not long-term
Also what he gets and what he's worth are two different things

 

[OilerSuperstar17]

Lol seriously.... theres a laundry list of reasons why some would call him a POS.....

Okay, let's go through 'em then:

- Fake vaccine card? Acquitted.
- Domestic/Sexual abuse allegations? Unsubstantiated
- Gambling on his own games? Unsubstantiated

What else is there? The fact you couldn't even go through your "laundry list of reasons" seems to me like you're just going along with the claims rather than forming your own opinions.

 

[Mattb124]

Okay, let's go through 'em then:

- Fake vaccine card? Acquitted.
- Domestic/Sexual abuse allegations? Unsubstantiated
- Gambling on his own games? Unsubstantiated

What else is there? The fact you couldn't even go through your "laundry list of reasons" seems to me like you're just going along with the claims rather than forming your own opinions.

Kane was assessed a 21 game suspension by the NHL for the fake vaccine card so...not acquitted. Guilty as charged and suspended accordingly.

He then travelled to Canada while COVID positive and then returned to his team 5 days late, which was ultimately what the Sharks cited as cause to cancel his NHL contract.

While the Sharks players were characteristically obtuse on why it didn't work out in SJ, his coach wasn't: '“There wasn’t one incident or a certain thing that happened,” Boughner acknowledged. “I think it was just a combination of a lot of things.”'

Add to that the character aspects related to his bankruptcy (allegations of fraud related to loans he secured, getting sued for an unpaid $1.5M gambling marker, the pay-for-abortion lawsuit by an ex that was brought to light as a result of the bankruptcy - with the last abortion less than 3 months before he got married), the fact he was booted from 2 other team's locker rooms before the Sharks, the bar/taxi allegations, there is a pattern him being a detriment to himself and those around him.

Is that enough of a laundry list for you?