Proposal: Erik Karlsson To NYR

[One Winged Angel]

The pieces in this deal aren't enough quality pieces going to Ottawa and this is the last move the Rangers should be making.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I like how you didn't include the first rounder

 

[rent free]

No

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Although the risk of EK not extending is real and that forces a trade -- no doing a Garth Snow and letting Tavares potentially walk for nothing is an unacceptable parallel esp for Ott. -- the OP offer is way too small.

What was overlooked is extreme degree of competitive bidding for EK.
Nearly every team in the league will bid for that year.
Sure, the fact that it is only a year suppresses the price as opposed to an existing multi-year deal [see McDonagh as exhibit], but it is still a significant price.

Even if that trade were at last minute of final deadline possible, i.e., for half a year of EK as opposed to a full year, he would get more than equiv of OP.

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Once you get EK, you need to extend him. However, this guy is not 22-23 and while not extremely beat up has his battle scars and injuries. Risk of losing his foot speed after a few years is not smart for 6-7 year deal.

Solution:
clear cap space over 1 year,
- something around Zib+Andersson + Buch + Georgeiv
for
2OA + Hanifin rfa rights + cap dump Darling + RD McKeown
- then after Benny Allaire works his goalie guru magic, flip Darling for futures

- trade Smith
- Staal's nmc morphs into partial ntic, trade and move on

- get through Seattle expansion draft if applicable

now with end of year, EK is a UFA unless he opted to not test the market.

See if he'll work with you.
EK thought to be around 10m ish per year on long term

with above cap recovered, offer him $13.5 for 3 seasons only
no nmc
reasonable ntc restrictions
enjoy EK
if a team like Bruins, Leafs etc offers significant enough return, let him go
Let them take on balance of trade, and deal with any issues past that about extending or not. Also a win for Karlsson cause he got his upfront, and if he manages to be injury free and show he can still cut the mustard, his final contract may remain in the 8-10 range, depending on term and other factors.
- profit.

only that scenario or similar works for NYR

That deal with the Canes is absolute lunacy.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Even with the 9th overall, it's not a great offer.

Why is Namestnikov in almost every trade proposal?

 

[NyQuil]

I'd rather watch Karlsson for a year and see him walk than accept this "package".

 

[TGWL]

This is bad for both teams. If Ottawa trades Karlsson, they can definitely get more back than what is being offered here. The Ranger are rebuilding. Trading for Karlsson is the absolute last thing they should be doing.

I don't see how this is bad for the Rangers. We trade absolutely nothing of worth here.

"Sens Acquire -Vlad Namestnikov, Anthony Deangelo, 1st Rounder (Not the 9th Overall), and 2nd Rounder"

A late first, DeAngelo, Namestnikov and a 2nd rounder (which? nobody knows) for Karlsson.

That's a risk anybody takes, rebuilding or not. The biggest loss here is the late first. This offer is brutal for Sens.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't see how this is bad for the Rangers. We trade absolutely nothing of worth here.

"Sens Acquire -Vlad Namestnikov, Anthony Deangelo, 1st Rounder (Not the 9th Overall), and 2nd Rounder"

A late first, DeAngelo, Namestnikov and a 2nd rounder (which? nobody knows) for Karlsson.

That's a risk anybody takes, rebuilding or not. The biggest loss here is the late first. This offer is brutal for Sens.

No, they really don't. You don't trade a bunch of assets for a player and pay him a ton of money when his best years are likely to coincide with your team's worst years. This is yet another case of people looking for a quick fix rather than having patience and building the team the right way.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

No, they really don't. You don't trade a bunch of assets for a player and pay him a ton of money when his best years are likely to coincide with your team's worst years. This is yet another case of people looking for a quick fix rather than having patience and building the team the right way.

Well, those assets in the OP proposal really suck. The Rangers could easily keep Karlsson for a few months, and flip him as a rental at the trade deadline for a helluva lot more than a late first, a second, and a kid who is on the verge of being a bust.

 

[Hogan86]

Shestyorkin, Hayes and a 1st. Thats a basis of a deal like this. Probably have to throw Skjei in too. You would be getting the best dman in the league by a longshot, even if he has one year left. The cost would be massive.

 

[TGWL]

No, they really don't. You don't trade a bunch of assets for a player and pay him a ton of money when his best years are likely to coincide with your team's worst years. This is yet another case of people looking for a quick fix rather than having patience and building the team the right way.

Those assets aren't much of value. Again, the risky part is losing a late first. This isn't another case of a quick fix rather than a proper rebuild. We're still rebuilding. We still have picks, we're tossing away nothing here for a franchise D-man. Even if his best years are behind him, Karlsson is still currently a dynamic player. Even if you do nothing but flip Karlsson, you're recouping more than you're giving up.

 

[GAGLine]

Well, those assets in the OP proposal really suck. The Rangers could easily keep Karlsson for a few months, and flip him as a rental at the trade deadline for a helluva lot more than a late first, a second, and a kid who is on the verge of being a bust.

Those assets aren't much of value. Again, the risky part is losing a late first. This isn't another case of a quick fix rather than a proper rebuild. We're still rebuilding. We still have picks, we're tossing away nothing here for a franchise D-man. Even if his best years are behind him, Karlsson is still currently a dynamic player. Even if you do nothing but flip Karlsson, you're recouping more than you're giving up.

Except for the fact that in real life, we aren't flipping Karlsson for more than we paid for him. As you've noted, the assets going to Ottawa aren't close to enough. Even if we could potentially gain assets by trading for him and then flipping him, what would be the point of having him only for a few months? If we are going to trade for him (we aren't) it would be with the idea of keeping him, and that doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team. We didn't want to pay McDonagh 7+ mil into his mid 30s, but we are going to trade assets for Karlsson and pay him 10+ mil into his mid 30s? Where's the logic in that? Yes, Karlsson is a better player, but he's every bit as likely to regress as he ages. He's had some significant injuries in his career.

If we were at the end of the rebuild and needed that extra player to put us over the top, then a move like that would make sense. At the beginning of a rebuild, no.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Except for the fact that in real life, we aren't flipping Karlsson for more than we paid for him. As you've noted, the assets going to Ottawa aren't close to enough. Even if we could potentially gain assets by trading for him and then flipping him, what would be the point of having him only for a few months? If we are going to trade for him (we aren't) it would be with the idea of keeping him, and that doesn't make sense for a rebuilding team. We didn't want to pay McDonagh 7+ mil into his mid 30s, but we are going to trade assets for Karlsson and pay him 10+ mil into his mid 30s? Where's the logic in that? Yes, Karlsson is a better player, but he's every bit as likely to regress as he ages. He's had some significant injuries in his career.

If we were at the end of the rebuild and needed that extra player to put us over the top, then a move like that would make sense. At the beginning of a rebuild, no.

Rebuilds don't take 5+ years in today's NHL. If the Rangers could get Karlsson for anything close to what is stated in the OP, they'd take it and run before Pierre Dorion came off the Gabriel Pizza high and realized what he's done.

What's gonna help a rebuild more....one of the greatest defenders of all time for the rest of their prime, or Namestnikov, a reclamation project, and some B level picks? Hmmm.

 

[Iceman]

DeAngelo? Lol

 

[goonybird]

Even if it's the 9th Overall pick, I don't think it is enough value.

even if you added the 9th overall it's dodgy

 

[GAGLine]

Rebuilds don't take 5+ years in today's NHL. If the Rangers could get Karlsson for anything close to what is stated in the OP, they'd take it and run before Pierre Dorion came off the Gabriel Pizza high and realized what he's done.

What's gonna help a rebuild more....one of the greatest defenders of all time for the rest of their prime, or Namestnikov, a reclamation project, and some B level picks? Hmmm.

Tell that to Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida, Arizona.

And we aren't getting Karlsson for anything close to what is in the OP, so it's a moot point. Whatever it would actually take to acquire Karlsson, it would be a bad idea for the Rangers to do so.

 

[TGWL]

Tell that to Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida, Arizona.

And we aren't getting Karlsson for anything close to what is in the OP, so it's a moot point. Whatever it would actually take to acquire Karlsson, it would be a bad idea for the Rangers to do so.

What it would take would be a bad for the Rangers. What was put up in this thread from the OP would not be bad for the Rangers. You said in real life we're not flipping him, maybe not, but the point is if you wanted to buy low (which his offer is) you could sell much higher for Karlsson. So turning down this offer would be a giant mistake. But you're right, it's moot because it would never happen.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Well, those assets in the OP proposal really suck. The Rangers could easily keep Karlsson for a few months, and flip him as a rental at the trade deadline for a helluva lot more than a late first, a second, and a kid who is on the verge of being a bust.

Too much risk involved and the Rangers shouldn't be trading for him in the first place.

Yes, the value isn't good enough for Karlsson but the Rangers shouldn't be making a move like that now.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Why is Namestnikov in almost every trade proposal?

Because most know he's nothing special and everyone is trying to sell high on career highs when he was clearly riding coat tails of his linemates in Tampa

20 goals and 44pts in 62 games in Tampa
Traded to rangers, 2 goals and 4 pts in 19 games

 

[bl02]

Ottawa needs more coming back probably a Chytil or Andersson and this is coming from a Rangers fan. On other hand, doesn't make sense cause Rangers aren't contending for another 2-3 years so they shouldn't be in race for EK.

 

[jw2]

Why is Namestnikov in almost every trade proposal?

Hey, at least it’s not Spooner!

 

[bl02]

I'd rather watch Karlsson for a year and see him walk than accept this "package".

Will be interesting to see what the Sens do and what the market is for EK. Don't think they want to go the Snow route with Tavares.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Hey, at least it’s not Spooner!

Namestnikov AND Spooner!! and (dman that NYR really wants to get rid of) + 7th for EK.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What a joke