I have to agree that lodnia has not developed the way I anticipated following his rookie year. I do think he had a pretty good second season. He faded after trades were made because he moved to the 3rd line where Fellows and Pettit just could not provide him the same offense as the top 6.I know Foegle's situation was a different than most but just an example of how a team should always factor that in. Honestly I do not see Lodnia ever developing into a player of Foegle's caliber. Foegle had that drive on every shift that you do not always see from players. His stats from this past season with Charlotte are impressive for someone who played an OA year and he earned a call up to Carolina for two games. I wish Lodnia the best if he is moved but IMO he has not developed to his full potential from what we saw in his rookie year.
Okay I see your point with conditionals but if the Vilardi/Day deal in the end gets 6 seconds and 2 thirds .. how is that much more or better than Erie getting 5 seconds and 2 thirds (GUARANTEED)? I think this actually just strengthens my argument. Ultimately Vilardi is a 1st round top tier nhl pick... much better than sambrook. You have to do conditionals with him.I agree Erie got a great deal but those conditional picks in the Vilardi trade if returned would net them a total of 6 2nds and 2 3rds. Does Vilardi return next year? I doubt it but it has happened in the past a player of his caliber returned for a 19 year old season. I'd say there is 25% chance he gets sent back at some point. Strome is an example just from Erie. Now is Sambrook a player like Vilardi (I know Vilardi would not be an OA but no chance he plays an OA season) No, not even close. but Erie gave up 3 2nds and a 3rd for Kurtis Macdermid. IMO Sambrook is a more reliable dman than Macdermid. I tip my cap to Dave Brown as he has done a near perfect job as the GM since taking over. I just wish a conditional 2nd or 3rd was in that deal and he may have tried to include that for all we know and got shut down.
Saw a couple of Erie players in Carnevale yesterday. I know you can’t put much into these games but neither looked very good. Hoffman was -4 during the short time I watched. Got stick checked at the blue line over and over. Seemed to get very frustrated very easly. Turned over the puck way too much given the competition. Certainly didn’t play like he did at prospect camp.
Again it’s early but IMHO saw some worrisome things.
Does anyone know anything about Alexander? Any Otter insiders think he may report?
What would that cost, probably 3 2nds and 2 3rds or so? Almost all of the picks Erie got for Raddysh and Sambrook. Wouldn't really make sense unless they plan on selling Lodnia this offseason to recoup some of that, and then hoping Maksimovich improves to stockpile more picks by moving him at the deadline. As much as I'd like to have another talented '02 in the fold I don't see how that fits.
What would that cost, probably 3 2nds and 2 3rds or so? Almost all of the picks Erie got for Raddysh and Sambrook. Wouldn't really make sense unless they plan on selling Lodnia this offseason to recoup some of that, and then hoping Maksimovich improves to stockpile more picks by moving him at the deadline. As much as I'd like to have another talented '02 in the fold I don't see how that fits.
And as I remember now Domi would only play for London which forced Kingston into making a deal for less. Cuylle seems interested in other teams around the league and not just Erie. That would make the price even higher to get him.
What would that cost, probably 3 2nds and 2 3rds or so? Almost all of the picks Erie got for Raddysh and Sambrook. Wouldn't really make sense unless they plan on selling Lodnia this offseason to recoup some of that, and then hoping Maksimovich improves to stockpile more picks by moving him at the deadline. As much as I'd like to have another talented '02 in the fold I don't see how that fits.
That’s not the point.Cuylle isn't a rental. You'd have him for 4 seasons. I'd do the trade in a heartbeat IF the price doesn't get too exorbitant. I trust Dave Brown to make the decision.
I’ll agree with this.Personally I think most here are making too much assumption that Cuylle would live up to expectations.
IHMO he is doing the equivalent of a tantrum stomping his feet saying no no no I won’t go there.
I know that is a stretch but I don’t think he warrants the consideration yet. I was at the NYR jr A camp and he was unimpressive. Mind you he could have been holding back, who knows, but to be that similar to all the others doesn’t bode will with me that he will bring added value.
Just my opinion based on what I saw and have seen in his games last year (admittedly not a lot, but first impressions tend to hold)
In the end... he is not coming here.
I’ll agree with this.
He’s a big forward that easily could have dominated because of his size at 15-16 years old. I’ve never seen him play though so I can’t comment too much.
But I especially agree with the attitude thing. Trying to get his way. At the same time if I was a player coming into the league, there would probably only be 2 teams I would be very unhappy with - Peterborough and Sudbury. For numerous reasons. There are other teams too but those two teams have the most issues for me.
Erie was the same way years ago. I do believe players should give these teams chances. But if Cuylle is basically like “I’ll go to 15/16 teams.. just not the Pete’s, etc..” I cant blame him as much. It’s the people like Domi that demand 1 team or 2/3 teams that I can’t stand.. because there are at least 8-10 solid to great organizations
That’s not the point.
Currently Erie is still behind with picks. And Cuylle would probably cost.. let’s just throw out a fair average price.. about 3 seconds and 2/3 thirds. Let’s say only 3 seconds and 2 thirds. So that would put Erie back to square 1 with picks. Let’s assume we then moved lodnia - he might go for 2 seconds and 1 third. And Mak as an OA.. let’s say 1 second and 1 third. So now you trade both of those guys and recouped the Cuylle picks.
The problem is Erie would STILL be behind the average high pick count. There would still be a concern with picks.
I trust Dave Brown too, which is why I don’t see any chance we get him. He’s preached for years about not trading like this. Bassin never properly managed picks but Brown is way more cognizant of it.
I don’t care if we get him for 4 years. I would rather we be sustainable and not be a basement team again .. so we need to continue to improve our high draft capital. If we move lodnia/Mak this year, all the sudden we have that capital again. Our focus should instead be on signing Ryan Alexander. He easily could be that top 6 forward we have for 4 years and guess what?? He will only cost the 1 third round pick we used on him.. not 5/6 picks.
Would never happen in my opinion. I don’t even think erie is picking up the phone much more than 1 time. And that 1 time would simply be to see the price and do their due diligence
It makes almost 0 sense for them. I understand where Cuylle was picked and how good he is. But unless he’s putting erie on a short list of 3-5 times, bringing the price down, Erie can’t afford him. Technically we do have the picks to get him but like EON said, that would literally require us to turn over all of or close to all of the Raddysh/Sambrook picks we just got. Not smart. Those picks were difficult to get and even if traded lodnia/Mak this year, we aren’t getting the same capital we got for the Raddysh trade.
Currently Erie is back to almost “normal” with their cupboards. Just missing a few 3rds. They managed to restock the 2nds. We still could use 4-6 higher picks over the next 5 drafts or so. And that’s where Lodnia/Mak come in. Have we not listened to Dave Brown say in interviews that they want to be a successful and strong organization? They are on their way to proving that. As brown said though, that requires sustainability. And the only way you can achieve that long term, using Browns words (and most people’s opinion) is through the draft. You thus need high picks. We have managed to survive with low pick capital for 4-5 straight years. But that won’t be sustainable. This year is a prime example.. consider our success if we still had McShane and Neumann all season.
Brown and the owners are trying to be a top tier organization. That is competing most years, not necessarily for titles every year but at least in the middle of the pack. You need draft picks to do that. Currently we could still use more if we want to have strong cupboards again in case we need to make big adds in 2-3 years for a run but if not so we add top end talent in future drafts. We can’t afford to go backwards again right now..
Lodnia and Maksimovich would give you 3-2nds and 2-3rds. Saginaw needs two players of that caliber and if Perfetti goes defective then we have our picks. Still with a full cupboard of picks for the future. Regardless it would be a good idea for both teams. Erie gets picks Spirit get some needed depth at forward.
I don’t see Mak moved either for the exact reasons you state. This team should be a bit better and more consistent, especially if they have Mak all year. And as far as I’m concerned that’s the next stage in the rebuild.Lodnia yes will be traded not sure about KMak. I think others will agree Erie would rather have him be their leader next season. Only way Erie moves him is if he asks/approves of the trade.
That’s the offseason they need.I'm on the fence about Maksimovich. If he stays consistent as a 70-75 point guy I might hold on to him and have him lead the team. If he explodes like Luchuk did last season I think I would prefer to move him as Erie could use the extra assets. Lodnia is definitely gone though.
My A+ offseason would be to move Poddubnyi for whatever picks can be had, land a good import forward, and sign Alexander (Schroeder seems unlikely at this point since he didn't come to rookie camp). I trust Brown to make the right moves.
That’s the offseason they need.
Here’s a question for you EON? Do you just base the decision on whatever other teams offer for Mak?
Like if you are Dave Brown do you have this set value in mind that dictates whether or not you move him?
Because like I said, if I can get 2 seconds and 1 third (and assuming these draft picks are in the 2019-2022ish range) then I probably move him. That’s a pretty good get for him. Anything less and no chance I move him. And if I can get more..? Well then I move him in a heartbeat. But Brown probably has this value/price in mind.. “unless we can get 2 seconds+ .. I’m not moving him”
I'm on the fence about Maksimovich. If he stays consistent as a 70-75 point guy I might hold on to him and have him lead the team. If he explodes like Luchuk did last season I think I would prefer to move him as Erie could use the extra assets. Lodnia is definitely gone though.
My A+ offseason would be to move Poddubnyi for whatever picks can be had, land a good import forward, and sign Alexander (Schroeder seems unlikely at this point since he didn't come to rookie camp). I trust Brown to make the right moves.