Bizzare
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Enough back and forth about this in the Vancouver Edmonton thread… may as well make a poll.
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This is the correct answer, just because “he didn’t initiate contact” doesn’t mean he didn’t jump into him and it is legal.The only argument that it isn’t than can be made is the “jumps into” argument of the rule. Posted below is the rule for reference.
I argue that jumping up to hit a player is indeed jumping into.
-he initiated reverse hit
-he left ice contact prior to contact
Therefore it is a penalty
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Happens frequently along the boards in particular… so yes.This is the correct answer, just because “he didn’t initiate contact” doesn’t mean he didn’t jump into him and it is legal.
Are we really good to set the precedent that you can jump a foot in the air to take a hit lol
You keep saying this. You have yet to show a similar situation.Happens frequently along the boards in particular… so yes.
To me this reads you have to skate and jump into someone, or charge the opponent.The only argument that it isn’t that can be made is the “jumps into” argument of the rule. Posted below is the rule for reference.
I argue that jumping up to hit a player is indeed jumping into.
-he initiated reverse hit
-he left ice contact prior to contact
Therefore it is a penalty
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Give me the criteria you want to see.You keep saying this. You have yet to show a similar situation.
To the first part, “jumps into in any manner” in this context is why I believe it’s a charge by definition.To me this reads you have to skate and jump into someone, or charge the opponent.
Otherwise any hit where a player skates is a charge…
Give me the criteria you want to see.
So the problem is you think EP40 initiated the hit, and I don’t… Foegele initiated the contact. EP40 owns the ice he is in.To the first part, “jumps into in any manner” in this context is why I believe it’s a charge by definition.
To the bolded, a hit that was initiated where a player leaves their feet intentionally before contact. And yes I know there’ll be some out there where the call is missed, it’s still a charge.
You do love this, don’t you? Setting this aside, why do you believe it’s not a penalty?
You do love this, don’t you? Setting this aside, why do you believe it’s not a penalty?
Ep40 does own the ice he’s in, yes. He’s also allowed to get hit in that owned ice. Protecting himself illegally does not change this. As I’ve argued with you a thousand times: You CAN NOT LEAVE YOUR FEET PRIOR TO CONTACT ON ATTEMTING A HIT.So the problem is you think EP40 initiated the hit, and I don’t… Foegele initiated the contact. EP40 owns the ice he is in.
Then at the end you say you won’t even accept it if I find a similar situation, so what the hell is the point?
You going to find another one where it was called for every instance I locate? This is ridiculous.
Ep40 does own the ice he’s in, yes. He’s also allowed to get hit in that owned ice. Protecting himself illegally does not change this. As I’ve argued with you a thousand times: You CAN NOT LEAVE YOUR FEET PRIOR TO CONTACT ON A HIT.
Why did he leave his feet? Is he safer in the air than on the ice?
He jumped straight up, not into the guy.The only argument that it isn’t that can be made is the “jumps into” argument of the rule. Posted below is the rule for reference.
I argue that jumping up to hit a player is indeed jumping into.
-he initiated reverse hit
-he left the ice well prior to contact
Therefore it is a charging penalty by definition
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So then a hit where a defender jumps along the boards before being hit meets your criteria no?Ep40 does own the ice he’s in, yes. He’s also allowed to get hit in that owned ice. Protecting himself illegally does not change this. As I’ve argued with you a thousand times: You CAN NOT LEAVE YOUR FEET PRIOR TO CONTACT ON ATTEMTING A HIT.
Why did he leave his feet? Is he safer in the air than on the ice?
Maybe I’ve missed it as I haven’t followed the other thread. Does anyone have any examples of jumping on a reverse hit being called a charging penalty?Ep40 does own the ice he’s in, yes. He’s also allowed to get hit in that owned ice. Protecting himself illegally does not change this. As I’ve argued with you a thousand times: You CAN NOT LEAVE YOUR FEET PRIOR TO CONTACT ON A HIT.
Why did he leave his feet? Is he safer in the air than on the ice?
Nope, of course just this one.Maybe I’ve missed it as I haven’t followed the other thread. Does anyone have any examples of jumping on a reverse hit being called a charging penalty?
It certainly isn’t a normal circumstance, reverse hits usually have more movement towards the player no doubt so there’s not a lot of precedent. But he knew he was going to get hit and decided to jump up and hit him instead. There’s no other reason to jump here. He’s not trying to get out of the way.He jumped straight up, not into the guy.
And how many charging penalties should be called per playoff game if "skating into" another player is charging?
No, because I imagine it's never been called.Maybe I’ve missed it as I haven’t followed the other thread. Does anyone have any examples of jumping on a reverse hit being called a charging penalty?