Another interesting hypocrisy is that any statistical critique of a prospect is "stat watching” but no one bats an eye when a prospect is celebrated based almost purely on statistics (i.e., Pettersson thread).
Prospect Info: Elias Pettersson | Pt. III
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Another interesting hypocrisy is that any statistical critique of a prospect is "stat watching” but no one bats an eye when a prospect is celebrated based almost purely on statistics (i.e., Pettersson thread).
BenningHurtsMySoul
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This guy could very well turn out to be the best player from the 2017 draft, especially with no generational talents up front.
The only issue is size, but it's not even a major one. He can add 10-15 pounds and play at 180-185 with his level of skill.
Very exciting to have a prospect of this calibre in the pipeline. We were due after consecutive questionable picks.
The only issue is size, but it's not even a major one. He can add 10-15 pounds and play at 180-185 with his level of skill.
Very exciting to have a prospect of this calibre in the pipeline. We were due after consecutive questionable picks.
LickTheEnvelope
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The Canucks need a couple of top 4 D picks and they need Tryamkin back and the future looks pretty good.
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rune74
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Yeah you are right for the most part, exactly like when people say he had nothing to do with the players tracking well and everything to do with those that are not.
stampedingviking
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You really believe that?
Absolutely. The majority of the posters on this forum are optimistic which tends to skew what people perceive to be "pessimism". Realism is mischaracterized as "pessimism" because the baseline is "optimism".
@CanaFan is literally the only poster who held out any hope for Jake Virtanen last season. By this board's standards he's not a pessimist.
He's already a dominant player just 13 games in. He creates scoring plays on almost every shift. The passes, his stickwork, hockey sense are off the charts good. The underrated part of his game is his shot and defensive play both very good. If the opposing team takes a penalty, Elias will make them pay on the powerplay. Deadly player.
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Not true. I was positive about him last year.
Cana fan is not the most negative here, by a longshot. Though this place is anything but optimistic lately, for some good reasons, but it does not lean to optimism first.
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You say realistic when in reality it is pessimistic. All our prospects will fail and their current play is unsustainable. Everything "Dim Jim' does is wrong.
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stampedingviking
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The majority are anything but optimistic, but you carry on believing that if you want.
PuckMunchkin
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You don't think the HFBoards as a group of posters over-projects prospects and overvalues draftpicks?
Now that is a blast from the past. Was a real underrated player for Calgary, came near PPG when he had his best seasons.
Kudos for a unique comparison!
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Needs to play more center going into the season.
I see a lot of people calling him a future #1 center, but he needs to play center first.
I see a lot of people calling him a future #1 center, but he needs to play center first.
Yeah, it's almost comical.
The majority of good prospects don't make it. Therefore, a 'realistic' take on prospects and development will be 'negative' toward most prospects because that's just the way it is. Most players are not tracking well enough to make it, or alternatively even if they are tracking well in their first 1-2 years after being drafted it still has to be remembered that most players 'doing well' still don't make it.
This isn't 'being negative'. Being negative would be saying that every prospect sucks, and I've never seen anyone here do that.
Unfortunately, a lot of people here simply are incapable of forming a negative opinion on a young player, are convinced that every young player putting up good stats at low levels is a future NHLer, and label anyone with an actual grasp on reality a negative pessimist. And of course, as others have mentioned, love jumping to conclusions based on positive results but will scream WAIT AND SEE! at any negative result. And are in a constant state of being fooled that the most recent two draft classes are the BEST DRAFTS EVER! because they simply don't understand the recent draft mirage.
Like, I've been posting here through several administrations and have been consistently called a negative prospect basher, but I actually know that if anything I've historically been too positive about our young players.
Too bad pre-2012 posts on this forum seem to have been wiped. Would be incredible to look back at the hate you got for the Hodgson - Langkow prediction.
It's one thing when a kid like M2B gets hyped on Tate Olson - as mentioned in another thread recently, I did the same for players as bad as Juraj Simek and Patrick Coulombe. But posters who have watched for years should really know that those two guys are in all likelihood no worse than the Rathbone and Zhukenov type prospects in the system now. Any "pessimism" on this board is just discouraging posters from getting carried away with thoughts of a middle-6 in 2019 of Dahlen-Pettersson-Lind / Lockwood-Gaudette-Gadjovich because it's most likely that only half of those guys get past the AHL in a meaningful way.
At the same time, Pettersson may very well be the best player out of this draft and that is in line with what a fifth overall in a non-McDavid draft should be 6 months after being drafted. That is not sky high expectations or setting up the kid to fail. It's just the reality of what a fifth overall tracking well. No one on this board would have traded that pick for anything short of a Marner/Werenski type player, nor should they have. Even trading for a potential with any sort of doubt in his game like Dylan Strome would have the fanbase seething. So why would those expectations suddenly be tempered when a name is actually attached to that pick?
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