How are you still in Jack Hughes threads after you’ve continued to be embarrassed over and over
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Elias Pettersson or Jack Hughes?
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How are you still in Jack Hughes threads after you’ve continued to be embarrassed over and over
It’s been four games and he (and the entire team) hasn’t been converting at 5on5 while the power play is at 43%. I don’t think anyone is worried about their even strength scoring - it will come.
SteveCangialosi123
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Pretty easy to explain. Lots of PP points, and the goalie is saving 84% of shots with him out there to start the year. Last game was a tough one for Schmid. 3 GA on 0.7 xGA with Hughes out there.
Went with undecided. Surprised Jack is running away with it by such a wide margin. I (hate admitting) love Hughes but Pettersson isn’t significantly older and is definitely a better two way player. And the Devils have a very deep forward group for Jack to play with. I would have called this pretty even, maybe even giving a slight overall edge to Pete for completeness, so I’m surprised by the results.
Forge
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On ice shooting percentage at 5v5, 5%.
On ice save percentage at 5v5, .842
It's a little better at even strength in general, 8.7% and .857 but the latter should still see a big jump
CloutierForVezina
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The contract status is more or less deciding the poll imo.
In a vacuum I think they're pretty close. I would lean Petey but couldn't fault anyone taking Hughes, they're both special players.
With contracts included I have to take Hughes. 8M is a steal for what he brings and is guaranteed going to be better value than whatever Petey ends up signing.
Buck Naked
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People seems to push this narrative because Pettersson got a lot of Selke love last season. All numbers from Hughes' previous seasons indicate that he's elite both ways too.
I'm not saying Jfresh player cards are perfect, but they at least use the same numbers to evaluate both players the same way. And watching both of them it's very clear that they are both excellent two-way players.
Video Nasty
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The better question is how long will these boards ignore it while absolutely dragging someone like Draisaitl every chance they can get.
Golden_Jet
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proved your own theory wrong lol.Pretty easily Hughes. Better contract, better player. Btw, on Hughes not being a good two-way player, taking a look at something such as:
I'm not sure why he's considered bad defensively.
And yes, I know Pettersson's was 98% but that's due to the "finishing"-category being better, at least by this model.
It’s been four games lol. Hughes has been an elite 5v5 player over the course of his career to this point.
Video Nasty
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That doesn’t seem to matter when it comes to proclaiming him ‘Lord of the Rink’ though, does it?
SteveCangialosi123
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Stop posting jfresh garbage.People seems to push this narrative because Pettersson got a lot of Selke love last season. All numbers from Hughes' previous seasons indicate that he's elite both ways too.
I'm not saying Jfresh player cards are perfect, but they at least use the same numbers to evaluate both players the same way. And watching both of them it's very clear that they are both excellent two-way players.
Buck Naked
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You're free to post something that disputes it.
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Just for you. Or are all models crap when they show something you don't agree with?
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People seems to push this narrative because Pettersson got a lot of Selke love last season. All numbers from Hughes' previous seasons indicate that he's elite both ways too.
I'm not saying Jfresh player cards are perfect, but they at least use the same numbers to evaluate both players the same way. And watching both of them it's very clear that they are both excellent two-way players.
No doubt Hughes has a strong impact on both sides of the rink, though even before their breakout last year, Jersey was a much better overall possession and defensive team, and it can be difficult to compare when the teams are quite different, especially with goal based stats. For what it’s worth, Pettersson’s RAPM chart last year, trying to isolate performance looks better in terms of defensive numbers, though sometimes standing out on a weaker team can help a player there.
Enough advanced stats.
From now on, argument quality is to be increased.
Find clips and make a montage of Petterssons defensive positioning and plays.
And same to Hughes fans, make montage of Hughes dazzling moves in the neutral zone.
Points and goals I have seen from both, and are already readily available.
Buck Naked
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I think the conclusion is that they're both really good both ways. Using two-way game to prop up one and knock down the other just feels very wrong, that was my entire point, since they're both excellent at it.
Yea for sure. I think sometimes people use two-way and defense almost interchangeably, and I do think Pettersson is a bit better there, but I think the idea that “similar points + better defense= Pettersson better” is too simplistic and ignores how much Hughes dominated matchups last year.
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NJ DevLolz
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Not really. Jfresh cards take into account last 3 seasons. This includes jack’s sophomore season where he was a .66 ppg player. Obviously a way different player now
I think what Canucks fan just want to hear from Devils fans is acknowledgment that the Canucks finally have a premium center again, who is also u25.
No one minds and some may agree Jack Hughes is better, but you must at least try to give acknowledgement and validation to Vancouver
It would be the equivalent of one hug
LeProspector
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Anything that attempts to boil down to one number and declare it authoritative is trash. Pure trash and anyone who tries to make an argument like that should be dismissed as a joke immediately.You're free to post something that disputes it.
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Just for you. Or are all models crap when they show something you don't agree with?
These people want to get some clout and sell you shit by making you feel smart for understanding a > b.
The actual stats are limited in value and need to be taken in context with more thought than these stupid cards.
Wouldn’t be a big deal except people just thoughtlessly post this crap as though it’s amazing information passed down by hockey geniuses vs just a collection of amateur data nerds.
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