Player Discussion: Ehlers

[JetsFan815]

"Can only hide behind analytics for so long"

 

[DRW204]

"Can only hide behind analytics for so long"

Those darn analytical analytics of GF vs GA

 

[Dale53130]

All of Ehlers' games where he's played more than 20 minutes; including the postseason.

 

[Dale53130]

Kyle Connor, when he played 16 minutes or less; starting from his rookie campaign.

2017-18 Game Log

In 69 games, playing 16 minutes or less, Kyle Connor has registered 35 goals, 31 assists, is +12 overall in those games (not including playoffs). He's converted at 19.6% over that span (35 goals on 179 shots).

 

[jetsfan15]

How Scheifele, Ehlers and Bowness impact Jets' trade deadline outlook

The Jets' optimal lineup is with Ehlers next to Scheifele but that has rarely been the default for the team.

theathletic.com

This is one of the best articles I’ve read. Ehlers + Scheifele = we are a top team and have a chance in the playoffs to really make a run. If we break them up, frankly the numbers speak for themselves and we are an average team. I have no idea what Bowness is trying to accomplish.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Colour this with the Chef quib about him liking playing with Connor because he knows where he's going to be and is easy to read off of. Ehlers excels at drawing defenders to him and out of position because of how shifty he is on the ice. That also fools the players he plays with. Get Ehlers the puck and he uses the entire ice surface. It's frustrating watching his usage be dictated by people who don't like how unpredictable he is.

 

[Weezeric]

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Colour this with the Chef quib about him liking playing with Connor because he knows where he's going to be and is easy to read off of. Ehlers excels at drawing defenders to him and out of position because of how shifty he is on the ice. That also fools the players he plays with. Get Ehlers the puck and he uses the entire ice surface. It's frustrating watching his usage be dictated by people who don't like how unpredictable he is.

Are you saying there’s no advantage to having a system where everyone knows what everyone else on the ice is going to do?

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

Are you saying there’s no advantage to having a system where everyone knows what everyone else on the ice is going to do?

A little chaos can be helpful.
The other team watches film as well. A player that forces teams out of position is good for the Jets.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

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Colour this with the Chef quib about him liking playing with Connor because he knows where he's going to be and is easy to read off of. Ehlers excels at drawing defenders to him and out of position because of how shifty he is on the ice. That also fools the players he plays with. Get Ehlers the puck and he uses the entire ice surface. It's frustrating watching his usage be dictated by people who don't like how unpredictable he is.

Unpredictability is the strength of his game. Scheif and Bones don't need to like it but they need to learn to appreciate it and embrace it.

 

[scelaton]

A little chaos can be helpful.
The other team watches film as well. A player that forces teams out of position is good for the Jets.

Exactly--but it is uncomfortable as well. The coach and some players may prefer predictability--it's easier--but if the NET result of unpredictability is more goals for than against, then it's good for the team.

Swallow your medicine, Jets--tastes bad at first but will make you better!

 

[DRW204]

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Colour this with the Chef quib about him liking playing with Connor because he knows where he's going to be and is easy to read off of. Ehlers excels at drawing defenders to him and out of position because of how shifty he is on the ice. That also fools the players he plays with. Get Ehlers the puck and he uses the entire ice surface. It's frustrating watching his usage be dictated by people who don't like how unpredictable he is.

over the last 3 seasons; ehlers on the top line w/o KC has a +19 in 5v5 goal-differential. imagine if they knew what they were doing like scheifele+kc with a -8. maybe if they play a bit more they can build on that familiarity?

meanwhile, KC playing 2nd line w/ PLD (1500+ mins) had a +19 from 2021-2023 and his best overall season in 5v5 offense in 2021. there's not much data, if any at all of KC playing 2nd line this year so that's what we all have to go off of. however, i think this team may benefit & still keep the balance, perhaps even improve on it, with a swap. if it doesn't work then so be it.

 

[hn777]

How Scheifele, Ehlers and Bowness impact Jets' trade deadline outlook

The Jets' optimal lineup is with Ehlers next to Scheifele but that has rarely been the default for the team.

theathletic.com

This is one of the best articles I’ve read. Ehlers + Scheifele = we are a top team and have a chance in the playoffs to really make a run. If we break them up, frankly the numbers speak for themselves and we are an average team. I have no idea what Bowness is trying to accomplish.

This. Unpredictability can also be a good thing.

We have discussed the defensive woes with Connor on the topline at great length, but Scheifele without Ehlers is an issue in itself (NST from last three seasons):

As shown, the huge swing in Goal Differential can be explained largely by the difference in High Danger Goals (For vs Against). I guess, Ehlers is so good in transition, he helps Scheifele move from negative to heavily positive results.

 

[DRW204]

This. Unpredictability can also be a good thing.

We have discussed the defensive woes with Connor on the topline at great length, but Scheifele without Ehlers is an issue in itself (NST from last three seasons):

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As shown, the huge swing in Goal Differential can be explained largely by the difference in High Danger Goals (For vs Against). I guess, Ehlers is so good in transition, he helps Scheifele move from negative to heavily positive results.

seriously, this is just GF vs GA or net-goals. not even getting to xGF% stuff that people bemoan on here.

folks worried about the 2nd line.... KC had 1500 minutes w/ PLD from '21-'23 and SHOCKINGLY they performed v well together. different C now in monahan, but i mean a couples game or two at least? even Perfetti played with them at RW and the line performed well

 

[Dale53130]

Here's Ehlers in all of his career games, where he's played 17 minutes and up, including the playoffs.

2015-16

• 5 goals, 12 assists in 26 games
• -8
• 75 shots
• 19 losses, 7 wins

2016-17

• 11 goals, 23 assists in 48 games
• -12
• 140 shots
• 30 losses, 18 wins

2017-18

• 6 goals, 8 assists in 25 games
• -5
• 82 shots
• 15 losses, 10 wins

2018-19

• 9 goals, 4 assists in 18 games
• +5
• 47 shots
• 7 losses, 11 wins

2019-20

• 11 goals, 16 assists in 30 games
• +5
• 99 shots
• 17 losses, 13 wins

2020-21

• 8 goals, 11 assists in 25 games
• +3
• 78 shots
• 13 losses, 12 wins

2021-22

• 19 goals, 16 assists in 43 games
• +8
• 176 shots
• 25 losses, 18 wins

2022-23

• 3 goals, 4 assists in 13 games
• -4
• 40 shots
• 10 losses, 3 wins

2023-24

• 2 goals, 7 assists in 16 games
• +1
• 58 shots
• 9 losses, 7 wins

Totals:

• 74 goals, 101 assists in 244 games
• -7
• 795 shots, 9.3 shooting percentage
• 145 losses vs 99 wins

Totals including playoffs:

• 75 goals, 102 assists in 256 games
• -12
• 828 shots, 9.1 shooting percentage
• 154 losses vs 102 wins

And the Jets over his period with the Jets have a record of 365 wins vs 256 losses.

I'm thinking about this in relation to the data obtained (above).

 

[jetsfan15]

Who was on Scheifele’s line in the 2018 run? And who was Ehlers paired with during those playoffs? Honestly can’t remember. Scheifele’s numbers were scary good during that playoffs if I remember correctly. Curious to know who he was paired with and who Ehlers was paired with

 

[Jack7222]

Who was on Scheifele’s line in the 2018 run? And who was Ehlers paired with during those playoffs? Honestly can’t remember. Scheifele’s numbers were scary good during that playoffs if I remember correctly. Curious to know who he was paired with and who Ehlers was paired with

2018 run was Connor - Scheif - Wheeler, then Ehlers - Stastny - Laine

 

[hn777]

Who was on Scheifele’s line in the 2018 run? And who was Ehlers paired with during those playoffs? Honestly can’t remember. Scheifele’s numbers were scary good during that playoffs if I remember correctly. Curious to know who he was paired with and who Ehlers was paired with

Pretty sure it was Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler and Ehlers-Stastny-Laine.
Yeah, Scheifele had a ton of goals, a lot from the bumper position on the PP iirc.

 

[10Ducky10]

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[Atoyot]

Pretty sure it was Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler and Ehlers-Stastny-Laine.
Yeah, Scheifele had a ton of goals, a lot from the bumper position on the PP iirc.

Stastny complemented Ehlers very well. So does Namestnikov. It's frustrating to see our coaches ignore measurable results because they "don't like" what they see. Ehlers-Namestnikov-Vilardi could be an incredibly effective line while letting Scheifele surround himself with whatever he wants.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Stastny complemented Ehlers very well. So does Namestnikov. It's frustrating to see our coaches ignore measurable results because they "don't like" what they see. Ehlers-Namestnikov-Vilardi could be an incredibly effective line while letting Scheifele surround himself with whatever he wants.

Hopefully ehlers names Monohan as I imagine Schief wants Villardi on his line.

 

[Jet]

Unpredictability is the strength of his game. Scheif and Bones don't need to like it but they need to learn to appreciate it and embrace it.

Lol that's silly.

So the team should try to change to suit one player?

Having a talented roster as a coach is more about finding what puzzle pieces fit together.

I think the ideal line mates for Nik are guys who can get into good scoring spots, dig out pucks and have good scoring touch.

A guy like Schiefele likes to have the puck in his hands and also use his linemates. Ehlers isn't ideal for that because a lot of that is feel, and sending and expecting where his linemates are.

Schiefele is our best forward and expecting him to change his game for Nik is unreasonable.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lol that's silly.

So the team should try to change to suit one player?

Having a talented roster as a coach is more about finding what puzzle pieces fit together.

I think the ideal line mates for Nik are guys who can get into good scoring spots, dig out pucks and have good scoring touch.

A guy like Schiefele likes to have the puck in his hands and also use his linemates. Ehlers isn't ideal for that because a lot of that is feel, and sending and expecting where his linemates are.

Schiefele is our best forward and expecting him to change his game for Nik is unreasonable.

No, that's not what it means. But it means they need to use what he does instead of trying to change him. He's a great talent. Let him do what he is best at.

The numbers are beyond clear. Scheifele and the team are better off using Nik.

As has been stated a number of times lately, it is not 'fancy' or 'advanced' stats. It is just old fashioned counting stats. And it is also the more advanced stats in perfect agreement. How often do you see that to such a degree?

Of course Scheifele likes to have the puck on his stick. They all do.

 

[TS Quint]

over the last 3 seasons; ehlers on the top line w/o KC has a +19 in 5v5 goal-differential. imagine if they knew what they were doing like scheifele+kc with a -8. maybe if they play a bit more they can build on that familiarity?

meanwhile, KC playing 2nd line w/ PLD (1500+ mins) had a +19 from 2021-2023 and his best overall season in 5v5 offense in 2021. there's not much data, if any at all of KC playing 2nd line this year so that's what we all have to go off of. however, i think this team may benefit & still keep the balance, perhaps even improve on it, with a swap. if it doesn't work then so be it.

Or.....Wheeler sucks.

 

[TS Quint]

Stastny complemented Ehlers very well. So does Namestnikov. It's frustrating to see our coaches ignore measurable results because they "don't like" what they see. Ehlers-Namestnikov-Vilardi could be an incredibly effective line while letting Scheifele surround himself with whatever he wants.

I think Bones was desperately trying to get Perfetti to work on the 2nd line and he showed promise for a couple months.

 

[surixon]

I think Bones was desperately trying to get Perfetti to work on the 2nd line and he showed promise for a couple months.

I'd personally go back to Ehlers, Perfetti and Namestinkov and try to build another scoring line around Monohan. I wonder if he Nino and Iafallo would work well together.

You then move Barron to play with Lowry.