"Draft and Develop" or "All In": What's next for the Jets?

[Whileee]

I won't be surprised if we see Heinloa moved for a RHD

I think you might be right on this.

RHD targets? Dumba? Other?

 

[Daximus]

A Minny fan proposed a Samberg + 2021 2nd + earlier of our two 2022 3rds (likely conditional pick) for Dumba

See if Seattle will bite on 17th overall for 34th overall, or potentially a higher pick if they get a later 1st rounder through a trade to pick Beaulieau.

Roll into 21/22 with..

Morrissey - Dumba
Stanley - Pionk
Heinola - DeMelo

Either spend in UFA on other options to give Pionk a potentially better partner, moving Stanley and Heinola down to splitting duties on the 3rd pair or try and go after one of the better middle 6 options in UFA like Coleman, Hyman, Wennberg, Goodrow or Armia. Or even both if possible.

 

[Hunter368]

I think you might be right on this.

RHD targets? Dumba? Other?

Manson is aging and broken & wouldn’t waive.

Dumba is a Pionk type of D man, smaller but can hit and is better offensively then defensively but is solid. I would be ok with him, just his contract is a big problem.

LHD Dunn?

Morgan Rielly LHD (would be likely more expensive then we can afford cap wise once he gets a new deal)?

I think there will be some surprises done by GM’s b/c of cap issues and XD…..I suspect Chevy will be patient and be looking for a good deal……not a maximum payment type of deal.

 

[10Ducky10]

I'd like to see Connor Murphy on the blueline next year if the price wasn't too much.
Armia would be really nice but probably cost too much...unless Copper is traded.

 

[surixon]

i wonder if they try for Sverson in Jersey for a Heinola based package. I guess it depends on where Jersey believes they are at in their rebuild.

 

[Whileee]

Manson is aging and broken & wouldn’t waive.

Dumba is a Pionk type of D man, smaller but can hit and is better offensively then defensively but is solid. I would be ok with him, just his contract is a big problem.

LHD Dunn?

Morgan Rielly LHD (would be likely more expensive then we can afford cap wise once he gets a new deal)?

I think there will be some surprises done by GM’s b/c of cap issues and XD…..I suspect Chevy will be patient and be looking for a good deal……not a maximum payment type of deal.

I like Dunn. He might be a good "buy low" option if the Jets move one of their young LHD.

I think Dumba would add some offense and a bit of bite to the top-4 D. Another 2 years at $6M is fine.

I wonder what's up with McCabe? If his injury isn't a concern, he might be a very effective partner for Pionk.

I agree that the current cap / financial situation is going to result in some unexpected opportunities in free agency and on the trade market.

 

[Daximus]

I like Dunn. He might be a good "buy low" option if the Jets move one of their young LHD.

I think Dumba would add some offense and a bit of bite to the top-4 D. Another 2 years at $6M is fine.

I wonder what's up with McCabe? If his injury isn't a concern, he might be a very effective partner for Pionk.

I agree that the current cap / financial situation is going to result in some unexpected opportunities in free agency and on the trade market.

Pretty good chance that Seattle takes Dunn.

McCabe I'd be good with as a 2nd pairing partner for Pionk, good physical shutdown type. I believe he has some ACL, MCL and meniscus issues in his knee based on a quick google search. The Sabres 18 game losing streak started right after McCabe was injured. If he's healthy he is definitely an option I wouldn't mind pursuing in FA.

 

[surixon]

Who would be better McCabe or Oleksiak?

 

[Hunter368]

Who would be better McCabe or Oleksiak?

Personally I like Oleksiak but not sure he would be available

 

[sipowicz]

Listened to this too. Ken seems to be the most plugged-in guy in Jets media, so I put a lot of stock in what he said.

The "Wiebe" roster:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Dubois-Copp
Armia-Lowry-Appleton
Ves-Gus-Lewis (or 2021 equivalent)

Morrissey-DeMelo
Oleksiak-Pionk
Heinola-Poolman

I'll take Big Stan on D over Pooman all day long!

 

[Whileee]

Who would be better McCabe or Oleksiak?

I'd like either of them. If McCabe is fully healthy, then I think I might go for him based on lower contract cost. He could be a real steal, if healthy.

But I think Oleksiak might be a really good D partner for Pionk. You'd think that Dallas would want to move him prior to the expansion draft, if they are going to move him. That's unless they already have confidence that they can re-sign him as a UFA after the expansion draft.

 

[Whileee]

Personally I like Oleksiak but not sure he would be available

He's a UFA. I doubt that Dallas would be able to sign and protect him before the expansion draft. I would think that the Kraken would make an effort to sign him as a UFA, and if not, then a number of teams would be interested, including the Jets. But if Oleksiak really wants to re-sign in Dallas, then they don't need to protect him, they can just wait until after the draft and re-sign him.

 

[Daximus]

He's a UFA. I doubt that Dallas would be able to sign and protect him before the expansion draft. I would think that the Kraken would make an effort to sign him as a UFA, and if not, then a number of teams would be interested, including the Jets. But if Oleksiak really wants to re-sign in Dallas, then they don't need to protect him, they can just wait until after the draft and re-sign him.

I think it depends on how he views things. He'll pay less taxes in Dallas, and his partner is pretty much guaranteed to be Heiskanen. Dallas still has a decent team albeit they are aging but still guys like Oettinger, Robertson, Dellandrea and Harley likely getting increasing roles next year. They have a good team there despite some of the their pieces aging. Oleksiak might already have a handshake extension signed there. He wouldn't have much of a bigger role in Winnipeg and they seemed really reluctant to deal him to us at the deadline.

 

[Whileee]

I think it depends on how he views things. He'll pay less taxes in Dallas, and his partner is pretty much guaranteed to be Heiskanen. Dallas still has a decent team albeit they are aging but still guys like Oettinger, Robertson, Dellandrea and Harley likely getting increasing roles next year. They have a good team there despite some of the their pieces aging. Oleksiak might already have a handshake extension signed there. He wouldn't have much of a bigger role in Winnipeg and they seemed really reluctant to deal him to us at the deadline.

I think Oleksiak was likely a target for the Jets at the TDL. The fact that they couldn't get the deal done suggests to me that Dallas is motivated to keep Oleksiak, which means that they think they can re-sign him.

 

[jgimp]

I'll take Big Stan on D over Pooman all day long!

Im thinking because Apples is there, Seattle took Stanimal since he’s not on the roster.

 

[Buffdog]

A Minny fan proposed a Samberg + 2021 2nd + earlier of our two 2022 3rds (likely conditional pick) for Dumba

See if Seattle will bite on 17th overall for 34th overall, or potentially a higher pick if they get a later 1st rounder through a trade to pick Beaulieau.

Roll into 21/22 with..

Morrissey - Dumba
Stanley - Pionk
Heinola - DeMelo

Either spend in UFA on other options to give Pionk a potentially better partner, moving Stanley and Heinola down to splitting duties on the 3rd pair or try and go after one of the better middle 6 options in UFA like Coleman, Hyman, Wennberg, Goodrow or Armia. Or even both if possible.

That essentially ends up being
Samberg + 1st (17OA) + 2nd + 3rd + Beaulieau
For
Dumba + 2nd

That's pricey. I wonder if Seattle would consider drafting dumba and flipping him to us for copp + a 2nd. We'd also lose one of Stanley, apples or Berdin

 

[Daximus]

That essentially ends up being
Samberg + 1st (17OA) + 2nd + 3rd + Beaulieau
For
Dumba + 2nd

That's pricey. I wonder if Seattle would consider drafting dumba and flipping him to us for copp + a 2nd. We'd also lose one of Stanley, apples or Berdin

I think it's more likely Minny trades Dumba than loses him for nothing. Also keep in mind we keep DeMelo in that instance so in a weird round about way it's more like.

Samberg + 17th OA + 49th OA + 2023 3rd + Beaulieau
for
Dumba + DeMelo + 34th OA

 

[Hunter368]

Wild fans on their board are suggesting just the 17th OA for Dumba from the Jets

 

[surixon]

Wild fans on their board are suggesting just the 17th OA for Dumba from the Jets

Id do that if we can work out a deal to protect DeMelo with Seattle before hand.

 

[Daximus]

Id do that if we can work out a deal to protect DeMelo with Seattle before hand.

Hard to imagine what the ask would be if we don't have a pick to trade down.

 

[JetsNut]

Then there’s the matter of Stanley…

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Wild fans on their board are suggesting just the 17th OA for Dumba from the Jets

What a good deal that would be, 17th to upgrade melo to Dumba. Not to mention it would mean keeping Copp and Appleton for the forward corps next season.

 

[jgimp]

What a good deal that would be, 17th to upgrade melo to Dumba. Not to mention it would mean keeping Copp and Appleton for the forward corps next season.

If Lambos and Ceuleman are gone, I think I do that. While Dumba isn’t “exactly” what we need, he is still an upgrade and does balance the lines better than what we have.

 

[BatVader]

Not interested in moving Samberg or bringing in LHD.
I’ll trade Heinola in a package for a top 2/4 RHD and that’s it.

If we lose Apples to Seattle and Copp prices himself out of Winnipeg, then Armia might be a good fit, depending on his contract ask.

That “Weibe Roster” has the same crappy RD we have now… so it really fixes nothing and spends assets for players we don’t need…Oleksiak

 

[voyageur]

A Minny fan proposed a Samberg + 2021 2nd + earlier of our two 2022 3rds (likely conditional pick) for Dumba

See if Seattle will bite on 17th overall for 34th overall, or potentially a higher pick if they get a later 1st rounder through a trade to pick Beaulieau.

Roll into 21/22 with..

Morrissey - Dumba
Stanley - Pionk
Heinola - DeMelo

Either spend in UFA on other options to give Pionk a potentially better partner, moving Stanley and Heinola down to splitting duties on the 3rd pair or try and go after one of the better middle 6 options in UFA like Coleman, Hyman, Wennberg, Goodrow or Armia. Or even both if possible.

That's interesting trades, but has liquidated the defensive depth. Kovacevic might be the first RH callup. But who gets the call on the left side. Niku? Bring back Benn? Having not watched enough Moose, does anyone think Chisholm could be better than Samberg? Would he be ready to make the jump in his 2nd season?

If we acquired Dumba, would Seattle want just a 1st to take a player that is probably worth a 7th in trade value? That's not good asset management when you could just take 4 years of Stanley, who is already developed. I don't think Seattle will be as aggressively build to win immediately, as they can take some time with their fan base, before the lustre of losing wears off, so I could see them stockpiling picks for years to come.

Copp re-signed is a definite top 6 player for an expansion team, and maybe a captain, so that's the way I'd be leading them, and keep developing the horses on defense, because we need them.