Discussion: Jordan Subban Vs Nikita Tryamkin

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

Tryamkin has been shown to be able to hold the line vs other NHL teams, however limited his number of games may be.

Plus he drilled Pirri into the wall, then swatted Getzlaf Stewart and Perry like mosquitos.

i cant find that gif....that was fun

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Subban still has a long way to go to prove he has the potential to be a borderline NHL'er, at best.

Tryamkin is already a borderline NHL'er and is showing some promise of being much more.

 

[valkynax]

i cant find that gif....that was fun

Indeed it was. My mistake though, I think that was Getzlaf Stewart and Stoner, not Perry - Stoner's actually bigger haha.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Tryamkin.

We don't really have anyone in the pipeline that is similar (Gudbranson maybe but he's an established roster player.) Stecher is similar to Subban

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Subban has a higher ceiling, but Tryamkin has proven he can play at the NHL level and still has a lot of upside.

Disagree with Subban having a higher ceiling. Tryamkin ceiling is perhaps Chara like. What is Subban's ceiling Enstrom? Tryamkin can really shoot a puck is a pretty good skater and is very strong on his skates. It was a bit of a joke but he was used as a net presence on the pp. He could be at the very least a dominant penalty killer. Subban might be okay on the pp.' I would not trade Tryamkin for a late first round pick. I would trade Subban for a high second.

 

[Pip]

Disagree with Subban having a higher ceiling. Tryamkin ceiling is perhaps Chara like. What is Subban's ceiling Enstrom? Tryamkin can really shoot a puck is a pretty good skater and is very strong on his skates. It was a bit of a joke but he was used as a net presence on the pp. He could be at the very least a dominant penalty killer. Subban might be okay on the pp.' I would not trade Tryamkin for a late first round pick. I would trade Subban for a high second.

If Tryamkin's ceiling is Chara then Subban ceiling should be Letang or someone like that. Neither is overly realistic.

 

[F A N]

It's not close. Tryamkin should be expected to be a regular piece with the potential to become a core piece. Subban was a complete long-shot from day one and the way he's tracking, he's still unlikely to become a player.

I agree. Although they were both long shots and both have tracked as well as we reasonably could have expected. The difference is Tryamkin is 6'7", 250lbs+ now? while Subban remains 5'9". Talking about ceiling is pointless. If Subban ever makes the NHL he'll either be a Weber type trying to carve out a role or 35+ point top 4 Dman. He's not going to be the team's 3rd pairing regular putting up 20-30 points unless he drastically improves his defense.

 

[Royal Canuck]

Disagree with Subban having a higher ceiling. Tryamkin ceiling is perhaps Chara like. What is Subban's ceiling Enstrom? Tryamkin can really shoot a puck is a pretty good skater and is very strong on his skates. It was a bit of a joke but he was used as a net presence on the pp. He could be at the very least a dominant penalty killer. Subban might be okay on the pp.' I would not trade Tryamkin for a late first round pick. I would trade Subban for a high second.

I meant that if Subban could really piece his game together and emulate a bit of what his brother has, he could be an all-star defenceman with his offensive powerplay ability tied in with great determination and speed.

Tryamkin, for sure, is the safer bet because he's big and he can skate. Will he ever be a powerplay guy? don't think so. And I don't see his game taking him anywhere near being considered an offensive guy.

Will Subban ever be an-all star? Doubtful, but if he managed to piece his game together and find his comfort zone, improve his defensive game he could be something.

For the record, I take Tryamkin 9 times out of 10.

 

[Shareefruck]

I meant that if Subban could really piece his game together and emulate a bit of what his brother has, he could be an all-star defenceman with his offensive powerplay ability tied in with great determination and speed.

Tryamkin, for sure, is the safer bet because he's big and he can skate. Will he ever be a powerplay guy? don't think so. And I don't see his game taking him anywhere near being considered an offensive guy.

Will Subban ever be an-all star? Doubtful, but if he managed to piece his game together and find his comfort zone, improve his defensive game he could be something.

For the record, I take Tryamkin 9 times out of 10.

You're equating upside with all-star ability and all-star ability with offensive ability, which I think is the wrong way to look at it.

The chances of Subban magically finding a solid defensive game are not much better than the chances of Tryamkin pulling an offensive game out of thin air.

In the end, if Subban's ultimate upside is that of a one-dimensional powerplay specialist/offensive wizard who will never be viable on the penalty kill or in matchup situations, and Tryamkin's ultimate upside is that of a wrangley, high minute munching shutdown defenseman who will never be viable on the powerplay, there's not much of an argument to be made that Subban's upside is any higher, IMO.

Furthermore, hoping that Subban "emulates a little bit of what his brother has" and therefore becoming an all-star defenseman is no more valid, reasonable, or possible than hoping that Tryamkin "emulates a little bit of what Chara has" and therefore becomes the all-star-equivalent stud high-minute munching shutdown defenseman.

Both have fundamental limitations that basically prevent either of them from becoming a complete two-way #1 defenseman, even if everything goes perfectly for them. Both have pretty similar high-end peak, everything-magically-goes-right upside, but Tryamkin is more of a sure bet to be a useful/serviceable piece (and therefore also has a higher opportunity and possibility of hitting that maximum peak).