Discussion: Jordan Subban Vs Nikita Tryamkin

[Ho Borvat]

I figured this may be an interesting discussion, and I am curious to see what the general consensus on these boards is.

Question: If you could only keep one or the other for this rebuild - Who would you choose between Subban and Tryamkin? Im not talking about this season specifically, but gun to your head, if you could only keep 1 of the 2 for this rebuild, who do you keep and why?

For arguments sake, lets say you can keep one prospect, and Benning is going to trade the other for Tanner Glass.

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[DL44]

Tryamkin.

Saw enough in his 13 game stint last season to know he's an NHLer. And will be a difference maker.

 

[geebaan]

Tryamkin, because I have a feeling Subban will never really get his shot here.

 

[Hit the post]

Tryamkin.

Vote shouldn't be close.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Tryamkin.

Vote shouldn't be close.

I leaned towards Tryamkin, but I don't think anyone should be saying its not close. I mean even Canucks army went Tryamkin(5), Gaunce (6), Subban (7) so they had them ranked as the 2nd/3rd best D-Men in the system.

Both guys are intriguing for different reasons.

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Apples and oranges.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Apples and oranges.

Thats kind of the point of the discussion though.

Would you rather have your school lunch include an apple, or an orange for the rest of the school year?

 

[racerjoe]

Apples and oranges.

I agree.

For this team, we need someone of Subban's skillset though. Taking everything like who the club likes, who has a better chance of making it out of the discussion and just going on skillset for this team. I say Subban.

I do think Tryamkin is more likely to make it though.

 

[VanJack]

Tryamkin or Subban going forward?...and there's actually a vote on this?....one guy's already in the NHL and the other buried in Utica....but on a different topic, have always had a good feeling about a potential Tryamkin-Subban pairing....something about it just feels like it might work down the road.

 

[PancakeHero]

Everyone would probably agree Subban needs to do something to deserve a chance. He isn't owed a chance.

 

[Josepho]

Very weird to compare. They're literally the polar opposites in terms of playing style.

That being said, it's really difficult to not pick Tryamkin here.

 

[Huggy]

tryamkin

 

[Hit the post]

I leaned towards Tryamkin, but I don't think anyone should be saying its not close. I mean even Canucks army went Tryamkin(5), Gaunce (6), Subban (7) so they had them ranked as the 2nd/3rd best D-Men in the system.

Both guys are intriguing for different reasons.

One looks alot further along the developmental curve/'ready for prime time" - at least IMHO.

 

[NoShowWilly]

Everyone would probably agree Subban needs to do something to deserve a chance. He isn't owed a chance.

Tryamkin didn't do anything to deserve the chance he was given. That said he looked good in the chance he was given. He is a big boy and used his assets. This vote isn't going to be close.

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Would you rather have your school lunch include an apple, or an orange for the rest of the school year?

Got any grapes?



(orange you glad I didn't say banana?)

I guess I just can't wrap my head around the poll because I really can't see a scenario where it would ever come down to either/or. In the systems Subbans competition is Stetcher and Larsen and Tyramkins would be Pedan.

 

[settinguptheplay]

Tryamkin didn't do anything to deserve the chance he was given. That said he looked good in the chance he was given. He is a big boy and used his assets. This vote isn't going to be close.

I think the choice's are close. But I also think the poll will be lopsided.

 

[PancakeHero]

Tryamkin didn't do anything to deserve the chance he was given. That said he looked good in the chance he was given. He is a big boy and used his assets. This vote isn't going to be close.

He did more than Subban I would say. KHL experience is higher than AHL. He also has leverage which makes his case more problematic.

 

[F A N]

Right now? Keep Tryamkin. If he doesn't make the team and goes back to the KHL and whereby he promptly signs like a 2 year contract without an out clause for him to try again next season then keep Subban. But it's honestly a bit too early to tell.

There's no conspiracy here. They are both projects, but Tryamkin looks capable of being a project while contributing as a 6th/7th Dman for the Canucks. Subban? He is skilled and has a great shot. Give him playing time and I think he will score some goals in the NHL. But I don't think he's capable of defending against NHL forwards right now. While Dmen can take quite a few years to develop, I am a bit disappointed in his ability to defend. He should be dominating the prospects tourney and while he's been good offensively, he hasn't looked good defensively and this is against prospects. Right now, my gut feeling is that Subban's chances of being an NHL regular is less than 50/50. If he wasn't 5'9" that percentage would be a lot higher.

Subban just needs to keep putting up offensive numbers while shoring up his defensive play to earn a chance to play in the NHL and then when he does get a chance to play in the NHL start producing offensively. He's unlikely to be gift-wrapped chances.

 

[tiny103]

Tryamkin bc he's easier to develop to what we expect from him. Subban's got a harder road to travel to be what we expect from him at the NHL level

 

[M2Beezy]

Hard time voting like them both but know Subban will not get his shot here by Benning for obvi reasons. If he survives this year with Utica and Benning is fired in the offseason before he can trade him for another clendenning then he might get a shot but is pretty good chance hes as good as gone

 

[me2]

Tryamkin should win this handily. He's shown he can play at NHL level and he has a rare set of tools (huge and can skate). Subban is better offensively but can't play NHL D yet.

 

[DL44]

Hard time voting like them both but know Subban will not get his shot here by Benning for obvi reasons. If he survives this year with Utica and Benning is fired in the offseason before he can trade him for another clendenning then he might get a shot but is pretty good chance hes as good as gone

If Subban doesn't get shot, it won't be because of a Benning conspiracy.

 

[Royal Canuck]

Subban has a higher ceiling, but Tryamkin has proven he can play at the NHL level and still has a lot of upside.

 

[Shareefruck]

It's not close. Tryamkin should be expected to be a regular piece with the potential to become a core piece. Subban was a complete long-shot from day one and the way he's tracking, he's still unlikely to become a player.

 

[valkynax]

Tryamkin has been shown to be able to hold the line vs other NHL teams, however limited his number of games may be.

Plus he drilled Pirri into the wall, then swatted Getzlaf Stewart and Perry like mosquitos.